May 09, 2024


Ep. 422 - Bonus - Royal Caribbean's Ultimate World Cruise (Part 4): Kimodo Dragons, the Great Wall and more with Dr. Jenny Travels

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Ep. 422 - Bonus - Royal Caribbean's Ultimate World Cruise (Part 4): Kimodo Dragons, the Great Wall and more with Dr. Jenny Travels
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Ep. 422 - Bonus - Royal Caribbean's Ultimate World Cruise (Part 4): Kimodo Dragons, the Great Wall and more with Dr. Jenny Travels

May 09 2024 | 00:55:02


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In this episode we welcome back Jenny from Dr. Jenny Travels, who is currently on Royal Caribbean's Serenade of the Seas Ultimate World Cruise. Jenny shares her experiences reaching the halfway point of the nine-month journey. Highlights include visits to Japan, the unique experience of seeing Kimodo Dragons on Komodo Island, navigating business on the move, and planning for upcoming stops in India, Dubai, and an immersive journey around Africa due to a change in itinerary. We also got to hear all about Jenny's experience visiting the Great Wall. Jenny also discusses the social dynamics on the ship, living in close quarters, and the excitement for future plans she has post-cruise. All that and more as we check-in with Jenny on how life is going aboard the Ultimate World Cruise.

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[00:00:00] Speaker A: What do the Rangers carry in terms of weapons? Like, to protect you from the dragons if you need protection. [00:00:07] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm not even joking. They carry sticks. [00:00:24] Speaker C: Welcome back, everybody, to this week's episode of the DCL duo podcast, brought to you by my path, unwinding travel. And Sam, we're just going to dive right into it tonight. No reviews, no nothing, no fluff. We got a great guest back on the show. I want to start by welcoming Jenny of Doctor Jenny Travels, who is on board Royal Caribbean's serenade of the seas world cruise. So welcome back, Jenny. [00:00:49] Speaker B: Thank you. Thank you for having me again. [00:00:52] Speaker A: Yeah, we're so excited to talk to you and catch up with you. For our listeners, just a little background. Jenny, obviously, Brian said is on the ceremony of the seas on the world cruise for Royal. On Royal Caribbean's world cruise, which is a nine month cruise. We did an episode with Jenny back a couple of months ago, and so if you haven't listened to that, definitely feel free to go and listen to that. We're going to just jump right in with where she's at right now and where she's been since we last spoke to her. But we did cover a lot of, like, the how does one plan for a world cruise? And you're going to be away for so long, like who's taking care of your mail and things like that. So we covered a lot of the. [00:01:38] Speaker C: Technical stuff for folks out there. It was episode 387 and our back catalog was the first episode we did with Ginny. Also probably a good idea to check out episode 390 that we did with Leslie. And we did a recent update with Leslie, too. And I will try to find that episode number by the end, but we're leapfrogging through the experience with Leslie and Jenny here. So we're going to pick up where we left off the last time we talked to Leslie and started with Jenny. But Jenny, I wanted to ask the kind of the. Just in the beginning, just a question, like, how's it going? Are you still having fun on board and or did this somehow in the last few months turn into, like, a giant mistake? It doesn't seem so premiere, I should say. But, like, how are things going? [00:02:21] Speaker B: It's going great. Definitely not a mistake. We are still loving it. So a big milestone is that we officially hit the halfway mark two days ago. [00:02:30] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Yeah. [00:02:32] Speaker C: I saw the photo someone posted. I don't know if it was you or Leslie of the balloons ready in the atrium to drop, so. Yep. [00:02:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:38] Speaker B: So we had a big celebration on board, which was funny, because it didn't really feel like a celebration at first. Like, I felt a little bit emotional and sad about it that we were already halfway done. But the celebration, the balloon drop, like you saw it, was so much fun and just such a huge milestone. [00:02:55] Speaker A: That's crazy. So how many days is that that you. [00:02:59] Speaker B: 130. Well, today is day 139. So the halfway mark was 137 days, which means we still had 137 more to go, which is four and a half months. [00:03:11] Speaker A: Crazy. That's amazing. [00:03:13] Speaker C: Wow, wow, wow. I thought it was a big deal when we hit, like, night eight on an eleven night cruise. We got three nights left. So there we go. There we go. Well, we talked to Leslie a bit about the sailing from rest of the sailing you did through South America up to LA, and then LA over to really kind of Australia and maybe a little bit beyond, but maybe picking up post Australia, what have been maybe like three or three, four or five. You tell us the biggest highlights that you've hit in Asia. Let me stop by saying you're in Vietnam right now, or did you. Where are you in the world right now? [00:03:47] Speaker B: Yeah. So we have finished Vietnam and Malaysia. So right now we are in the see between Malaysia and India, making our way to Sri Lanka first and then India. [00:03:58] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:03:59] Speaker C: So cool. We're really cool. Yeah. So what have been some of your favorite. Your favorite stops in this sort of AIPAC leg of the cruise? [00:04:08] Speaker B: Yeah. And just first, this will be a good contrast from Leslie. Like this. Leslie's one of my good friends on board, but her, the segment she covered, that was so many sailing days. Like, we hit up some awesome places in the Pacific and Australia. But the interesting change that's happened since then, now that we've been in Asia, is that it has been non stop. Like, we're on a sea day right now, which is a good day to record a podcast. But you guys know, we had a little bit trouble scheduling this because we have such limited sea days right now. [00:04:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:43] Speaker B: Which makes for amazing stops, but we are tired on board, I will say. [00:04:51] Speaker A: Speaking of that, Jenny, you have been working. I know you're not working full time like you were when you were on land, but, like, how is that going? Because it's a lot harder to do when you don't have as many CDs, I imagine, because you want to be out touring, you don't really want to be doing work in your cabin and sitting around. [00:05:10] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. It's been challenging, not gonna lie. And you're right, I am not working full time, but I am still running my business, working with a few clients, like we talked about on the prior episode that I'm on. And, uh, yeah, it's been a challenge. I just have to fit it in where I can. Some of the ports we've had were shorter days, so not full days out at land, but, yeah, it's just fitting it in where I can. But to get back to Brian's question, we have had some amazing highlights along the way as well. We can talk about our independent journey to the Komodo islands, to the Komodo dragons separately. But I gotta say, Japan was probably the biggest highlight. Like, everyone on board was just so happy during that time. Like, everyone loved Japan. And we stopped in Japan at seven different places, plus an overnight in Tokyo. [00:06:02] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:06:03] Speaker B: We had eight full days in Japan. And I get the question a lot. Do you really feel like you can see or appreciate an area when you're cruising? And, you know, I'd be curious to hear y'all's thoughts on this, too. I feel like it's what you make of it. But at the same time, Japan. Yeah, we did. We went to. We saw so much of the country. We went to seven different places with that overnight, and we did stay out overnight in Tokyo, and it was just a huge highlight. So many people are already like, we're going back to Japan. [00:06:37] Speaker A: I love that. I think the best thing about cruising to different places is you can at least get a taste of, like, the culture and the place, and then if you feel like you need more, you go back for a land based, multi day trip. It sounds like with Japan, you might not necessarily need to because you did spend so many there. But, like, in general, with cruising, I think when you go to a port, you're like, oh, this is. I'm getting a taste of this place. And have I gotten enough of it, or is, or do I need to. [00:07:10] Speaker B: Come back to see more? Yeah. Yep. [00:07:12] Speaker C: That's cool. That here that you. Where does the ship dock in Tokyo? I mean, are you accessible into, like, kind of the main. I mean, Tokyo is a massive city, so I don't even know what to find. The main area of Tokyo is. But was it pretty easy when you overnight in Tokyo to really, like, get into the city and see Tokyo? [00:07:28] Speaker B: Yeah, first of all, we were, we reported in Yokohama, which is about an hour from Tokyo. But Tokyo has such a great train system, public transportation, so it was fairly easy. Once you figured out the language in which direction you needed to head, it was very easy to get where you needed to go. [00:07:48] Speaker C: Very cool. [00:07:48] Speaker A: Awesome. [00:07:49] Speaker C: What were some of the highlights in Tokyo? We have not been to Japan. It's on our list. Like, what were some of the highlights for you in Tokyo? [00:07:54] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. Well, Tokyo, actually, to be honest, Tokyo was amazing, don't get me wrong. But it was probably my least favorite. Just because it's a huge city, it can be a little overwhelming, and they're so much to see. We actually did a lot of nerdy things, like seeing the Pokemon center and Godzilla statue. [00:08:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:14] Speaker B: We stayed overnight in Tokyo. Actually, Yokohama, the port that it was at, was amazing. We loved it even more. It was just a little bit of a smaller city vibe. But we also went to the day after Tokyo, we went to Fuji and Mount Fuji, and we were so lucky to get to see it because normally it is covered in the clouds. And so I would say that was probably my favorite highlight from Japan overall, was seeing Mount Fuji. [00:08:43] Speaker C: Very cool. Very cool. And where else did you port in Japan? [00:08:48] Speaker B: So we also went to Kagoshima and we went to Nagasaki. That one was a unique day as well, because that's where we went and saw the atomic bomb museum. Very. Yes, that one was very touching experience. Very sad. We also went to some of the islands, Okinawa and Ishigaki. Those were really nice. Reminded me a lot of Hawaii, actually. And then I'm missing one. And this is. Oh, and Osaka. Osaka was a bigger city as well. And it was really cool. [00:09:19] Speaker A: That's awesome. [00:09:20] Speaker C: Very cool. What other countries have you hit up? I mean, outside of Australia? I know Indonesia was on the list. Sounds like Japan. What other countries have you been visiting? [00:09:30] Speaker B: Yeah, so this segment has been Indonesia. That was our first arrival to Asia. We did Indonesia, Philippines, South Korea, Japan, as I mentioned, China. And then we just went to Vietnam. And like I said, malaysia, making our way to Sri Lanka and India. [00:09:51] Speaker C: Very cool. Very cool. [00:09:52] Speaker A: Amazing. [00:09:53] Speaker C: I'm so curious. I got to ask about South Korea. Did they do any sort of excursion to the demilitarized zone in South Korea? [00:09:59] Speaker B: Yes. Yes, they did. We actually, my husband and I, we actually have been there before. A little fact is, if you are doing a long overnight or a long transfer in the south korean airport, they have a free shuttle service that will take you to the DMZ and some sites around there. So we actually, we had a 16 hours layover. We did that already when we were last year when we had a layover. So definitely recommend that free tour. But yes, they did on the cruise. They did offer one as well. [00:10:30] Speaker C: Oh, very cool. Very cool. [00:10:32] Speaker A: That's awesome. [00:10:33] Speaker C: Yeah. So what were some of the highlights of the other countries, like, things that really stood out for you? And then we absolutely have to hear about your kind of independent journey to see the Komodo dragons. But, yeah, what were some of the other highlights from those stops? [00:10:43] Speaker B: Yeah, so we got to see the great Wall of China. In China. [00:10:47] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:10:49] Speaker C: Remember the photos three years ago? Yeah. [00:10:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:52] Speaker B: So that was one of the included excursions to the world wonders as part of this world cruise. I believe we talked about this on the last episode, but for those that were platinum status or above, which is Royal Caribbean's loyalty program, you got to go to the seven world wonders. And so the Great Wall of China was certainly one of them. And we. It was a long 17 hours excursion, but it was totally. Yeah. [00:11:20] Speaker A: Wow. How did, so how was the transport? Like, was this, like, bus? Is this a plane? Like, how do you get there? From where. Whatever port. Well, what port were you guys at? And how do you get there? [00:11:31] Speaker B: And. [00:11:31] Speaker A: Yeah, what does that look like? [00:11:33] Speaker B: Yeah, so Beijing is where the great Wall is located, but, you know, that's a little inland. So we were actually ported at Tianjin and we had to take buses, and it was like three hour bus rides there and back. We also saw the forbidden City, which was another bus ride. We had a chinese family style pickpocking duck dinner, which was amazing. And we actually saw the great wall at night, which, I'm going to be honest, I was. When I first heard we were seeing at night, I was a little bit. I could not but feel a little bit disappointed. I was like, man, I want to see it during the day. Like, see it all, like, extended out, but seeing it at night, they have such incredible lighting. It was so surreal. And we didn't see it until about 09:00 p.m. At night. So after a 1617 hours day, like, I. It really felt like a dream. Like, I feel like that was a dream because it was just so late at night, so such a long day, and it was a surreal experience. [00:12:27] Speaker A: That is so cool. That's like, that's a bucket list for sure. I feel like there's so many bucket lists. I mean, I would love to go to the Philippines. I don't know why. I've always been fascinated with the Philippines. How was that? [00:12:41] Speaker B: Yeah, the Philippines were great. So we actually had a little bit of a different experience with Manila because we flew into Manila after our independent journey, and so we got to see a little bit more. You know, the airport's just a little bit of ways away from where the port was. So we got to see a little bit more of like the inland kind of side of Manila. And then the other place we went to was Subic Bay, Philippines, which is a common portion for cruises. And that where us military bases used to be, they are no longer there, but, yeah, so it was interesting to, to be there. Some of our passengers on board were actually stationed there in the past, so it was very full circle for them to visit Subic Bay. [00:13:22] Speaker A: That's awesome. Well, oh, somebody's ringing in the room. [00:13:28] Speaker B: Between the age of twelve to 70 year old to please proceed to the battle. [00:13:35] Speaker A: I love this. We are live hearing an announcement on the serenade of the seas. I don't even know what the guy wasn't. I couldn't really tell exactly what the woman was saying over the speaker, but what was she saying, jenny? [00:13:49] Speaker B: Yes. So this is interesting because they don't usually come in our rooms. It's still going on right now, but, yeah, so we. They don't normally come over the speaker in our room. So this must mean that there are some people that have not gone through indian immigration yet. Yes. So we have. Yeah, live on board because we are approaching India. We have to go through India immigration right now. And the indian visa was a little bit hefty. I can't speak for every country, but at least for Americans and then immigration as well. And that's just the reality of traveling all around the world. You have visas, you have immigration, you have all these things that you have to do. And it's not too cumbersome, but it's just that another little piece of this kind of travel. [00:14:38] Speaker A: Yeah, that makes sense. And all of it's coordinated through royal Caribbean. [00:14:42] Speaker B: Right. [00:14:42] Speaker A: You're not having to, like, go apply for a visa yourself. They're like, just sending, like, telling you what you need to fill out as you go. Is that how it's. [00:14:51] Speaker B: Oh, no, we have a lot of visas that we have to fill out ourselves. Yeah. [00:14:55] Speaker A: Wow. [00:14:56] Speaker B: We always want to. So. So India, we have to go and do. There are a number of visas that the cruise line just cannot do or help you with. Now. They do cover some, like China is a good example. We wanted to get our China visas, but China is also a very cumbersome one. And really, the only option or the most realistic option, I know this sounds crazy for us, was the ten year visa, and the ten year visa requires you to send in your passport and or go to the chinese embassy in DC in the US. And so that was just not realistic for us to be able to do that last year in preparation for this cruise. So with China, we were covered as long as we were with a Royal Caribbean shore excursion. [00:15:45] Speaker A: Okay. [00:15:46] Speaker B: We were not able. At the time of planning this cruise, we were not able to just go out in Beijing on our own. But actually, since the start of this cruise, those restrictions were lifted or softened a bit, so we were able to go out afterwards. [00:16:00] Speaker A: But it's. [00:16:01] Speaker B: Yeah, that's just one country. [00:16:03] Speaker A: So it's. [00:16:04] Speaker B: It's been, it's been a lot to keep track of, but the cruise line has done a good job of, like, helping us with information that we need along the way. [00:16:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:12] Speaker B: You're at least telling us you need to do these visas? Yeah. [00:16:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Now, when you do that, like, are, if you, let's say you didn't get any of the visas that you needed, would that mean you have to stay on board in most of the countries, or would that mean, like it did in China, where you could go, like, off ship, but you had to be with an excursion? I know. I'm sure there's some variation, but I'm just curious. [00:16:36] Speaker B: Yeah, it totally depends. But often it would be that you have to stay on the ship, but there are some cases where you would have to. Fortunately, I don't think Americans at this point in time have to get off at any point, but some other friends of mine that are of different nationalities, they have to get off and rejoin the ship around a country that does not allow visas for them. Wow. [00:17:03] Speaker A: Wow. [00:17:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:07] Speaker A: That's, like, super complex to. [00:17:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:09] Speaker A: I mean, I mean, it's good that royal is telling people, like, yeah, where? And so that everybody knows in advance and all of that can plan for that kind of stuff. But, you know, we talked a little bit with Leslie about the idea of, like, leaving the ship and rejoining the ship. And so our listeners who listen to our second episode with Leslie will know this, just that fact that's possible. But, you know, how difficult is it because you just did it, Jenny? So how easy or difficult is it to leave and then rejoin the ship? [00:17:39] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's an interesting process because it has, you have to get it approved ahead of time, and a lot of people, I think, have been surprised by that. But it really comes down to, again, a number of factors, like your nationality, what passport you hold, are there visa requirements and then are there port restrictions? So some of these ports, some of these countries, they have restrictions around when you can get off and rejoin a ship. Even in the US, if you've ever done an Alaska cruise, and I do believe this was lifted a bit during the COVID times. But if you've ever done an Alaska cruise, you've probably gone from the US to Canada or Canada. Right. Alaska to the US. So that. And that is because there is an act in the US that you cannot, cannot go in that part of the US. You cannot leave and come back to the same port. Right. [00:18:30] Speaker A: You can't do a closed loop cruise within your. Just the US. You have to hit another country and. Exactly. Yeah. So they always go to Canada. And with the Caribbean, it's not really an issue because most of the caribbean ports are other countries like the Bahamas. Yeah. So. But you're right, with Alaska, it's a sort of more prominent issue because you are going sometimes from Seattle to Alaska, which are both us places in there. Yeah. [00:19:04] Speaker C: Yeah. To Jenny's point, that is a requirement of the Jones actor, also called the Passenger Services act. Yes. You have to stop in a foreign port if your cruise departs from the US before you can return to the US. Yeah. [00:19:16] Speaker B: So that's just an example of even within the US, some of the restrictions that certain ports or countries have. So, yeah, we did an independent journey in Indonesia and at first we actually applied to get off in Australia and rejoin in Bali. But Australia has some restrictions. I don't know exactly the reasoning, but essentially it got denied. So then we had to relook and reapply and we applied for Bali to Manila, which actually worked out even more perfect because there were. We still got to see Bali, we still got to see Manila, and there were three sea days in between there. So that way we weren't missing any port days and it got approved. And then once it's approved, you just have to book and make sure that you are covered with your visas because the cruise definitely does not cover any visas that you need once you get off and do your independent journey. And then from there, just regular booking travel. [00:20:14] Speaker A: Awesome. And when you're obviously, when you're off ship, you mentioned the cruise is not. The royal's not taking care of your visas and things like that, to be clear, they're also not taking care of your hotels and your food and all of that. When you are out off ship, you are off ship, but you can leave all your stuff on board. Is that right, Jenny? [00:20:32] Speaker B: Yes. Yep. So we have our room for the full nine months. So aside from the attendant that comes in and cleans, it's. No one else is in here. [00:20:43] Speaker A: Right. [00:20:45] Speaker C: Nice. Well, talk to us about the Komodo dragons. So I know this was something you really wanted to do and it was on your bucket list and they weren't. The cruise line wasn't going to do it, so you decided to make it on your own. So, yeah, talk to us about that journey. [00:20:59] Speaker B: Yes. So when we were sailing around Australia, we started to look at our path for the next part, Indonesia and so on. And my husband, he was like, wow, we are actually going to be really close to Komodo island, which is the only place in the world that you can see the Komodo dragons, this part in Indonesia. And so we were like, I wonder if we could do a little side trip with these sea days that are coming up. So, like, you just heard, we finally got it approved and we got off in Bali. We headed straight to the airport and headed to Labuan Bajau, Indonesia, which is the landing point for Komodo tours. And we ended up doing two full days of trekking. We did a private boat. We went the private route, private boat. We went trekking for two days on the different Komodo islands. And we saw so many Komodo dragons. It was such a humbling and unique experience because those are very dangerous creatures. [00:21:58] Speaker A: They are, yeah. Oh, my God. I would be terrified. I mean, I'm not, like, I've seen them in captivity. [00:22:05] Speaker B: Right. [00:22:05] Speaker A: So that's the only way you can see them, like, in the US, is in captivity. Captivity. But I'm not sure I want to see them, like, free and. [00:22:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:13] Speaker A: How close do you get to them? [00:22:15] Speaker B: We got very close. Again, this is all on my social media, if anyone wants to check it out. We got very close. And I think I realized that when you see Komodo dragons in captivity, you're seeing the females, who are significantly smaller than the males. These creatures are like dinosaurs. There's nothing like them. There's nothing like them, and they. They are dangerous. You have to be with a ranger at all times. You cannot just go to these islands by yourself as a tourist. And there's also people who, you know, local indonesian people who live on these islands. So we got to see a little bit of their villages and what life is like living among the dragons. It was so interesting. [00:22:58] Speaker A: What do the rangers, like, carry in terms of weapons? Like, to protect you from the dragons if you need protection? [00:23:05] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm not even joking. They carry sticks. [00:23:10] Speaker A: I'm thinking they're carrying guns. [00:23:13] Speaker B: I thought so, too, but no, they. They carry these long. You know, it's like a walking stick, but at the same at the end, it is two pronged. So, like, what they do is they would redirect the dragon's head in a different direction if it were to come at you. So, like I said, a little. Little scary. Very humbling to be in the presence of creatures that literally eat you. Yes. And again, I cannot just. You have to see pictures. You all have to go check out my highlights on social media. [00:23:44] Speaker A: Now, when you're. So when you're doing this, are you, like, staying on this private boat or are you staying, like. I'm trying to imagine what this is like. Is, like, jungle looking and like, yeah. Where are you sleeping and what are you eating? [00:23:58] Speaker B: Okay, well, we always stayed in a. [00:24:00] Speaker A: Very nice hotel fair. Okay. Because that's the way I travel, Jenny. I'm not a. Like, I people, you know, I have friends who go camping and stuff, and I'm like, no, that's not me. Like, I like a nature hike. [00:24:13] Speaker B: But I joke we are rugged, bougie. Like, we will go do the most rugged things. And then we need a nice accommodation at night. [00:24:21] Speaker A: Same. That's me too. I'll do a hike, and then I want, like, a hot meal and a bed and a shower, of course. [00:24:28] Speaker B: Yeah. So for Komodo tours, you can go and stay on these little mini cruises. I'm going to use cruising very lightly. It's a live aboard ship that is like a traditional, like, wooden indonesian ship. They're very pretty, but, yeah, you can go cruising around the islands in this way. But we opted for staying in a hotel and doing a private speed boat each day because the speed boats are much faster. So you, although you don't stay overnight out on the water by the island, you are getting there quicker. And so that's the route we went. [00:24:59] Speaker A: Yeah, that sounds like the route that I would go if I was gonna do this. But I don't know. I'm terrified of dragons, so I know you're like, I'm not a lizard person. I'm honest. [00:25:11] Speaker B: Interestingly, cruises used to do little mini excursions from some of the surrounding ports to Komodo, but they don't do cruise excursions there anymore. So if any of you were hoping to do this on a cruise, unfortunately, that's not like a shore excursion anymore. You'd have to go do a separate trip to Komodo, which is exactly why we did it while we were over here in this part of the world. [00:25:34] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, when you're already so far away from home, you're already in that, like you said, in that part of the world. It's. Yes, it's a. You had to leave the ship and to do it, but it seems like, if that's on your bucket list, like, why wouldn't you do it then? [00:25:49] Speaker B: Right? [00:25:50] Speaker A: Like, and miss, as you mentioned, you missed three c days. That totally seems like a really smart use of your time. Although you missed out on resting, I imagine so, yeah. How is that? I mean, you mentioned. [00:26:02] Speaker C: Well, she said up front that it's been pretty, like, go, go, like. Yeah. How are you doing energy wise with this at this point? Yeah. [00:26:08] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. You know, that actually, the Komodo trip that we were just talking about, that kind of, I feel like, was what really got me pretty fatigued. It's. I'm doing good, but it is definitely tiring. And I'm sure anyone can have felt travel fatigue before if they're traveling, but it's a very real thing, and, yeah, it's. We have had to take a little bit of a step back and remember that we don't have to do the most in every port. [00:26:38] Speaker A: It's a marathon, not a sprint. [00:26:40] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And we. If you follow me on social media, my husband and I, we go pretty hard. A lot of destinations. So it's a little bit of a reality check that this is not sustainable if we want to be healthy and not fatigued. So since Komodo really sent this, part of the journey has been a little. Just taking a little bit of step back and not trying to see everything, but picking one or two things and just really experiencing them. That's helped a lot. I've also prioritized my sleep a lot, like, making sure I am sleeping full night's sleep, because, yeah, this journey has been exhausting in the best of ways. We're seeing so many different cultures back to back in such a short time, and it's been a lot of culture shock, and not necessarily in, like, the negative connotation, but just as soon as you're processing one country you've been to or that thing you saw, we're already seeing the next thing. It's a very bizarre feeling, and I certainly don't take this for granted one bit, but it's. Somebody asked me, are you still. Are you living in the present? Are you like, are you being present? I'm like, no, not really. It's hard. It's hard to be. [00:27:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I imagine. I think when you're just learning how to say, like, hello and thank you in one language, all of a sudden you're the next day you're going someplace else where it's a completely different language. And so like, just, and like customs and things like that, right? Where you're just starting to, like, learn, oh, this is what you do in order to thank somebody or something like that. Then all of a sudden it's like, oh, rug pulled out from under you because now I'm someplace else. [00:28:09] Speaker B: Exactly. Those little simple things like that. Like, it's a very bizarre feeling and a bizarre, like, way, very fast paced way to travel the world. [00:28:22] Speaker C: Hey, Edcl duo fans, you know, we get the question all the time. Should I use a travel agent to book my next Disney Cruise or should I just book with Disney directly? And I'm going to tell you, if you have that question in the back of your mind right now, you should stop what you're doing and head over to dclduo. The folks over at my path unwinding provide an amazing service. They are so knowledgeable and so friendly. We rely on them ourselves to book our family vacations and they provide an amazing service. And the best part is you don't pay anything extra for it. Disney, other tour providers and other cruise lines have built the cost of their commission into their pricing. So if you're booking directly, you are just paying that money back to the provider when you could be spending it on the kind of service you would get. From my path unwinding travel, you've heard from their agents on our show. They are so knowledgeable, so giving of their time. They know so much about Disney Cruise line, sailing concierge, other cruise lines, other all inclusive vacations and adventures by Disney that if you have a vacation in mind, they are the ones to book it for you. So again, head over to dclduo so they know we sent you their way. Thanks. My path unwinding for sponsoring the show. And with that, back to our episode. So I want to, we asked Leslie this because I started down this path a second ago, just checking in with you. When we first talked to you, we were asking about, how's the stateroom? Are you getting bored yet? How's the food? Like, how's ship life? This many days into this cruise adventure, are you still energized by being on board? Has the routine gotten to you at all? Or is it still just a, just an amazing experience? [00:29:57] Speaker B: Yeah, no, ship life is great. It's definitely, we definitely have more routines now. We, like I said, sea days are limited. So I, it's crazy. Like, I don't feel like we're on the ship a whole, whole lot these past couple weeks. But I will say, my. My husband and I, we are very used to traveling in this way, like, always being on the move through rving. So we feel very comfortable with this kind of lifestyle. The added part, I would say, on a cruise is that you're with people all the time. [00:30:29] Speaker A: For good or bad. [00:30:30] Speaker B: Yes, for good and bad. So the good is that I have made the most incredible friends, like, people I would consider lifelong friends already. The bad just that really mainly just comes to my work. Like, when I love leaving the room to work and seeing, because I'm in an interior room, I really like seeing the ocean and just being out of the room. And it is very difficult to do that just because a lot of people, now that we know everyone, or most everyone, they want to talk to you. [00:31:00] Speaker A: Yeah. They want to visit, they want to. [00:31:02] Speaker B: Hang you out, get some coffee. Yeah. There's y'all cruising. Y'all know there's so many activities going on board. So Fomo. The fear of missing out factor is definitely at play as well. So, yeah, it's definitely challenging to just be with your. Not just work, not just my work part, but just be with myself and, like, try to get some time. [00:31:23] Speaker C: Get some time to yourself to recharge. Sure. Yeah. [00:31:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:26] Speaker B: There's a lot of stimulation on a cruise ship when you're on vacation. It is great. It's so much fun. But because this is a little bit more of just our life, it's. It is. It comes with some challenges, but again, challenges that I certainly can't complain about. [00:31:41] Speaker A: Of course. Of course. We don't take it as you complaining. It's just. I totally get it, especially from the standpoint of a lot of the folks that you're cruising with who are on the world cruise, meaning all nine months are retired and you and your husband are working. I know you're not the only ones who are working. I know there are other non retired people also, but there are, like, a good number, Leslie being one of them. People who are retired, who are you living their best life, enjoying themselves to the fullest. [00:32:09] Speaker B: Right. [00:32:10] Speaker A: And so that balance, I'm sure, is more difficult for someone who is still working. I wonder how it going with the kids who have to do schoolwork, too. Right? [00:32:22] Speaker B: The few that I've talked to, at least the ones that are more in the teenage years, they have also felt a similar challenge to me. And those that work is that, I think, probably even worse for kids, the fear of missing out that fomo they. Cause they have a kids club. They got the kids fun activities. What's going on up there in the club? So, yeah, I imagine it's very challenging for those kids and their parents. [00:32:46] Speaker C: And I want to ask Jenny, content creator, to content creator for a second because I noticed the other day was that you were doing an interview on, was it south korean tv? Like, you, you know, you and others on board have. Singapore. Yeah, Singapore, yeah. You and others have become, you know, kind of celebrities, you know, and people want to talk to you and hear about the experience. And so people ask us a lot, you know, when you're out on vacation, you're doing the content stuff. Like, does it start to feel like work and not fun? Like, how is that balance for you right now? Because I think there's a, there's a lot of attention on this cruise, and I'm sure, you know, you're one of the folks is getting a lot of attention. So is it, is that hard to balance as well, or do you feel like you're still getting that, like, I'm still getting the value out of this sailing, like, I'm still getting to do the things I want to do and see the places I want to see. [00:33:28] Speaker B: Yeah, it's definitely a balance. It's been like, it's been fun. As long as it stays for me, like, fun and positive. I'm super happy in terms of content creation and it has been overwhelmingly positive. And what kind of keeps me going as well as I have a much bigger picture for the content creation, the social media side of things as well. Even beyond social media. I've been working on an email subscription list for subscribers. I have some actually have some exciting stuff that I'm working on behind the scenes for the future post cruise as well, that's going to involve others out there. And so, yeah, so, you know, there's a lot more beyond just, just this cruise. And I'm so thankful that the cruise, just, so to speak, went viral in the way it has. I think it's really opened me up and motivated me to continue to pursue this content creation and travel, like travel influencing and some of the exciting stuff I have coming up beyond the cruise. [00:34:32] Speaker A: I love that. So when you guys finish the cruise, I forget where you end. [00:34:38] Speaker C: New York. I think they're in New York. [00:34:40] Speaker B: Miami. [00:34:40] Speaker C: We do go to, oh, Miami. I keep thinking New York, but Miami, yeah. [00:34:44] Speaker B: Okay, we do go to New York, but yeah, Miami is the final stop. [00:34:47] Speaker C: That makes sense. Royal Caribbean headquarters. [00:34:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I would love to. [00:34:51] Speaker B: You gotta go to Coco cake first. [00:34:52] Speaker A: Yeah. You can have a perfect day at Coco. [00:34:57] Speaker C: You know what? I hope your day at Cococay. I hope the serenade of the seas is, like, the only ship at Cococay that feels like a fitting end to this kind of journey that you've been on. [00:35:06] Speaker B: I sure hope so. Yeah. I have a funny video that went viral on. Over on Instagram and Facebook that was the serenade compared to the wonder, and it was just. She looks like a little teeny boat. [00:35:18] Speaker A: She's tiny. [00:35:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:21] Speaker A: I love that. Oh, my God. Like, what? But, like, the day you guys get off in Miami, I have to ask this question. I know you're. We still have. You still have half the cruise left. [00:35:31] Speaker C: I hear when they pull into Miami, Royal Caribbean's president's gonna haul their luggage off for them. [00:35:36] Speaker A: But I'm like, what are, like, what's, like, the thing that you're thinking, like, first thing you're gonna do? Like, are you getting, like, onto some other trip? Like. Or are you, like, I just need to go and sleep for, like, a week, or are you, like, I'm going to Disney world. [00:35:52] Speaker B: Yeah, the first. Well, so the first thing. The thing that comes to my mind is seeing. I'm seeing our families. Cause that's definitely the hard part of being away for nine months. So we. [00:36:02] Speaker C: What? [00:36:02] Speaker B: Our truck is actually in Florida. If you remember from our last podcast we talked about. We rv. We live full time out of rv. Like, we don't have a home. We don't have an apartment, which is. [00:36:11] Speaker A: Why you were able to pack all your stuff in this. [00:36:15] Speaker B: So it is out in Vegas, but our truck is in Florida. So we will get back to Florida. Our family will be there to pick us up. We'll get the truck, and then we'll make our way back across the US toward Vegas, seeing our family and friends along the way. [00:36:30] Speaker A: Oh, nice, nice. That's awesome. [00:36:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:33] Speaker A: And then a nice little road trip. Stop and see people as you cross country. I love that. That's a great. [00:36:39] Speaker C: But there's. There's 100 and something days until that happens. [00:36:42] Speaker A: I know. [00:36:43] Speaker C: I want to come back to the cruise for just a second. [00:36:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Sorry, sorry. [00:36:47] Speaker C: So China, kind of a politically charged spot to visit these days. Like, how many ports did you get to see? And what was the. You know, you talked about the culture shock and things like that. What was the culture like that you got to experience there in China? [00:36:59] Speaker B: Yeah. So China was interesting. We only went to one stop in. In mainland China, and that was the. That was Tianjin. And then we did the long excursion to Beijing. So I gotta be honest, like, most of that time was spent on a bus. We definitely did not necessarily experience. Yeah, we didn't. I don't think we got to really experience much of China and Beijing other than the big sites. Right. And the dinner I talked about. But having never been there, having. And I. Having to. Have really wanted to go there. Like, I. We've. My husband and I, we've really looked forward to going China. We want to go back, too. We had to. Like, I kept forgetting that we were in China. Like a just beautiful city, like, beautiful landscape. I don't know why my biased mind. Right. Was expecting something different, but the cities we were in were just like any other cities. You could easily forget that you were in China. So that's my short experience there. [00:37:56] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. I wanted to spend a few minutes. We talked to Leslie about this briefly. So just to catch our listeners up, if you didn't listen to the last episode we did. The serenade is not going to be able to go through the Suez Canal because of concerns around safety and some other things going on over there, obviously, in that region. And so it was put to a vote at the passengers whether the ship would. It would have to go down around Africa. But the question was, do we go fast so we can at least get some of the Mediterranean tour in, or do we really do the immersive experience around Africa? Now Leslie is electing to do a departure from the ship and go experience some of the Mediterranean countries that the ship would have gone to and then meet back up with the ship, I think in Barcelona, if I'm getting it right. But, Jenny, I know watching your instagram, you are super excited. I think that the ship is going to do this more immersive trek around Africa. And when we talked to Leslie, I was like, I'm not aware of a cruise line that does something like that regularly. I'm assume you're excited to do this. [00:38:56] Speaker A: And how did you vote, Jenny? We want to know how did you vote? Because we know there was a vote, and we know. [00:39:01] Speaker C: I know how she voted. Cause I watched her instagram. [00:39:03] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure I know audience to hear. I know, too. [00:39:07] Speaker B: There was a vote, which was the wildest thing. There was a vote, and I voted for the immersive Africa itinerary. [00:39:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:17] Speaker B: Yeah. And to your point. Yeah, this. When I look at this itinerary, I'm like one I've rarely ever seen cruises go to all these places like, in this way. And two, I don't know that I will be able to necessarily get back to all these places, at least in the near future. So, yeah, I just seemed like an opportunity that once in a lifetime opportunity, not to be cliche, but really a once in a lifetime opportunity, especially with the whole making lemonade out of lemons kind of situation, of not us not being able to do our original itinerary. [00:39:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I think this is better. Jenny, I don't know about you, but I'm not saying, like, I'm not saying the med isn't great, but, like, you'll go to the med or you've been. [00:39:57] Speaker B: To the med, maybe, right? [00:39:59] Speaker A: Like, so, yeah, this is, like, more unique. [00:40:02] Speaker C: You end this leg in Dubai, is that right? [00:40:06] Speaker B: The current Asia leg that we're on, we end in Dubai, and then that's where the Africa segment will start. And so that will go from Dubai, like you said, to Barcelona. So we will do Africa until June. So we'll start in May. We'll do Africa until June, mid June, and then pick up our original itinerary in Ravenna, Italy, and make our way toward Barcelona. [00:40:30] Speaker C: So I'm curious between now and Dubai. A. I would say if I was on a cruise that was stopping Dubai, I'd be like, I'm so keen to, like, see Dubai, given all of the sort of the press you see around and everything they're building and all sorts of. What a cool city to see. But, like. But, you know, between now and Dubai, what are some of the stops you're most looking forward to? [00:40:49] Speaker B: Oh, well, we have another world wonder excursion coming up again. These are the included excursions and we. This one is big. So in India, you can maybe guess that we are going to the Taj Mahal. [00:41:04] Speaker A: The Taj Mahal. [00:41:07] Speaker B: So this one is going to be a three day, two night overnight journey to the Taj Mahal. And it's going to be a long journey, but it's going to be. We get to see the Taj Mahal hall at sunset. And I'm so excited about that. [00:41:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I feel like you're in the ride, soaring around the world from Epcot, because you're going to all of the places that are in the ride that you get to go and see. [00:41:32] Speaker B: I think that ride has been referenced several times along this journey. [00:41:36] Speaker A: I love it. I'm very jealous. Very jealous. That's amazing. Yes. [00:41:42] Speaker C: How long do you get to spend in India? Like, how many ports are you doing in India? Do you know? [00:41:45] Speaker B: Yes, we're doing three ports in India. With an overnight in Mumbai. [00:41:51] Speaker C: Okay. Very cool. [00:41:52] Speaker B: Yeah. So there's actually two whole different groups for this journey to the Taj Mahal. So my husband and I are in group run group one. So we will actually get to see it first when the first group. And we will be leaving coaching India, taking the flight and the journey up to the Taj Mahal, and then we actually rejoin the ship in Goa, India. So the ship will move to the next port while we are up at the Taj Mahal. [00:42:16] Speaker A: Oh, cool. [00:42:17] Speaker C: Yeah, that's cool. That's so cool. I just want to go to India to taste some of the food, so, like, that, too? [00:42:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:24] Speaker A: Okay. I got to ask you, like, so, is there any drama going on in the ship that we should know about? And does anybody, like, are you at the point where there's some people you would like to never see again that are on the ship with you? You don't have to say who. [00:42:40] Speaker C: No, don't answer that. Sam is just trying to stir the. [00:42:49] Speaker B: Listen, I'm sure you can imagine when you put all these people on a small space for a long, extended time, there's gonna be some conflicts. [00:43:02] Speaker A: See, I told you, Brian. I knew it. I knew it. Like I said, I don't need to know names or anything like that. I just wanted to know if that was happening, because I feel like, obviously, I know you're lovely. Leslie's lovely. Like, I'm sure that most of the people who you're sailing with are lovely, but I'm sure there are a few who aren't. [00:43:18] Speaker B: So, of course, I won't name names, but I'll say a couple little. Interestingly, two different people have come to me and just vented about their partners. So that's probably most of it, is just getting used to living in such a small space with your partner or your roommate. You know, not everyone's traveling with their significant other. Right. We have siblings on board. We have family members that are traveling together. So, you know, it's just. And I was going back to my husband and my experience. You know, we are used to this through rving. We're off and traveling. We're often together a lot. So we've really gotten used to it, known our boundary, become to know our boundaries and those kinds of things. And so I think some people are learning that on this cruise, and, yeah, that can definitely. We're also at the halfway mark, and that's been very emotionally taxing. Just this. We've been a little tired, and now we're at the halfway mark, which just feels so emotional. So it's. That's been kind of like the. Oof. [00:44:16] Speaker A: The. [00:44:17] Speaker B: Probably the. I know what I've noticed. [00:44:19] Speaker A: And away from home for a long period of time now, too. I mean, like. But your point is well taken, though. Like, I love my sister, but I don't know that I want to, like, live with her in close quarters for, like, that amount of time. And that would be hard. And. Yeah, you and your husband are used to living in small quarters together in your van life. And so it's like, yeah, it's. I think for a lot of people, that's probably a big shock. And it probably was when you guys first started living that way, even for you, but you've gotten used to it in a way that maybe others weren't. So that's always, I was going to. [00:44:53] Speaker C: Say, the one amenity royal probably didn't think about was, like, a therapist. It's probably. I mean, it probably wouldn't have been a terrible idea. Well, yeah. Or subscription to, like, a meditation app or something for. [00:45:07] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. No, that's actually a question I've received many times across social media. Is there a therapist on board? [00:45:17] Speaker C: There's the chiropractor who's the passenger. Right. You need the free therapist on there for at some point. Yeah. Well, so you mentioned India, mentioned the next wonder of the world. Like, what else? Any big highlights that you're looking forward to after India? [00:45:31] Speaker B: So after India, we are going to. The next big stop will be Dubai, which ends this mini segment. And just like you said, brian, we are so keen on seeing Dubai, we wanted to see more of it than just that day. So we have our next independent journey approved and we're finalizing all the bookings with that. But we are going to be getting off the ship in Dubai. We'll spend a little more extra time in Dubai. We will be flying up to see the pyramids. Yes. In Egypt. [00:46:03] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:46:04] Speaker C: Very cool. Because the ship isn't stopping there any longer. So you miss that stop? [00:46:07] Speaker B: Yeah, we missed that stop. And the flight prices were pretty reasonable, so we were like, why not? Let's just hop up and make this happen? And so we're, like I said, we're still in this moment. We're still finalizing all the bookings, but our flights and the journey, the independent journey have been booked and approved. And so what we'll do is we'll go to Egypt and then fly from Egypt to Seychelles. Therefore, we'll still get to see Dubai. We'll still get to see Seychelles down in Africa. And we'll all. All that we will be missing are those four cruising days in between there. [00:46:41] Speaker A: Oh, great. I mean, you're going to be exhausted, but that's awesome. [00:46:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:48] Speaker A: You keep missing relaxing days, Jenny, you poor thing. [00:46:51] Speaker B: I know. It's self inflicted. You know, the things I was saying earlier, it's totally. [00:46:57] Speaker C: You got to take one for the team. I mean, we understand. [00:47:00] Speaker A: Yes. Your public, like us, needs all this. We want to see everything. I love it. [00:47:05] Speaker B: Yes. So it is funny. Sorry, just to say, like, you see all these cruising days, you're like, oh, that's a perfect opportunity. Then you're like, oh, wait, when were we supposed to rest? [00:47:16] Speaker C: Yeah, so, Ginny. So aside from, like, friends and family, I'm sure at this point in the cruise, there's just. So I had a friend who. She did a study abroad in Ireland, and we met up in Europe, and she just. She said, could you please, for the love of God, bring some Reese's peanut butter cups with you? Because I can't get them where I am. So, like, what was the. And when I brought them to her, I've never seen anyone eat a Reese's peanut butter cup this deliberately, like, just, like, very slowly, you know, like in America, just pop in our mouths. And so I'm curious, what is the thing for you that you're just like, I really want this thing, and I can't get it. I'm gonna have to wait 100 something days before I can have it again. Like, is there anything like that for you at this moment in time? [00:47:56] Speaker A: It's funny. [00:47:57] Speaker B: It actually. It's not Reese's peanut butter cups, but it's peanut butter. M and m, you're learning the lesson. [00:48:02] Speaker C: She learned, which is peanut butter is like this foreign thing outside the United States. Not many people really get it. So. Yeah. [00:48:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it kind of is. And they have peanut butter on the ship. They have chocolate chips for pancakes and stuff. But, yeah, it's just not. It's just not the same. It's funny because when we did our two and a half months in southeast Asia last year, not cruising, but just land base, that was the number one thing I just. I missed so much, too. And it's so funny you think, like, you're not gonna miss something, but, yeah, you can find M and Ms out there in the world, but not the specialty kinds in the yard. I have a peanut butter. M and Ms are my. Are my weakness. [00:48:39] Speaker A: Your kryptonite. Now, did you go to target in LA? I need to know. I feel like everybody went to target. You stopped in LA and we heard from Leslie. There was a bus and everything, like, set up for the world cruisers. But I feel like there you could have restocked at least some, but you probably would have be done with them by now. But with some peanut M and M. Peanut butter. [00:48:58] Speaker B: M and Ms. Yeah. Well, yeah, they're long gone now. [00:49:02] Speaker A: But you did. I knew it. [00:49:05] Speaker B: It wasn't. I'm trying to remember. I think I got them in Hawaii, actually. But we saw a friend in LA and spent every moment with her that we could there. So actually we did all of our restocking in Ensenada, Mexico. We went to a store. Yeah. Like a department store in Mexico. And got it. Got it all there. Yeah. [00:49:24] Speaker A: That's smart. That's smart. [00:49:28] Speaker C: What's the most interesting local food experience that you've had on this cruise so far? [00:49:33] Speaker B: The most interesting local food? I made a whole post about this, but, so it's on my TikTok and Instagram and Facebook. But it was the fish market in Busan, South Korea. So this fish market, many people maybe have been to a fish market, but this was one that you picked out your live fish and they actually prepared it for you. And then you take your fish upstairs and you have, then you have to pick a stall in which that they will cook it for you. This is all in Korean. So we are figuring this out along, along the way as we go. Wow. [00:50:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:10] Speaker B: You take. Yes, you take, you pick your stall, you sit down. They ask you how you want it prepared and then they bring you out the food. And it just one. It was such an amazing experience. It was absolutely delicious, but also challenging to eat just because I personally, I'm very detached from where my food comes from. [00:50:28] Speaker A: Right. [00:50:29] Speaker B: I think a lot of Americans are. And so it's like, it was one, just a good experience, but also a good reminder of, like, just how much goes into the food that we eat. That's why I kind of like those kind of experiences overseas. [00:50:41] Speaker A: Yeah. And how much we take it for granted. Yeah. Because we don't have to. We go, you go to the fish counter and it's all filleted and ready for you to go. It's all, you know, and. Or they'll package it or you can buy it prepackaged. Right. It's all frozen already, so. [00:50:55] Speaker B: Right, right. And we're not used to eating all parts of the fish, whereas they don't waste a thing. And so it was a very unique experience for us. [00:51:03] Speaker C: Well, Sam, before we let Jenny get back to some relaxation time, which it sounds like she could use for the day she needs. Did any other questions you have for Ginny before we wrap up the show here? [00:51:15] Speaker A: I'm trying to, you know, I just blanked, Brian. [00:51:18] Speaker C: All right, there you go. This is a first, people. Sam doesn't have anything to say. All right, well, Jenny, with that, then what? I'd like to remind folks how they can connect with you and follow along and, yeah, just tell them all the places where they can find you. [00:51:33] Speaker B: Yes, absolutely. So I am on all the social media platforms, TikTok, Instagram, Facebookenny, travels. That's Dr. Jenny travels. And I also have if you want to. The email subscription is live. I haven't officially launched it yet, but if anyone wants to venture over to my link in bio, you can sign up for my email list and you'll start receiving some of my emails. So definitely check that out. Jump on board. But across all platforms, Doctor Ginny travels. [00:52:02] Speaker C: Fantastic. Well, Jenny, as always, we appreciate you taking time out of your ongoing cruise to share it with our listeners. And hopefully we'll be able to find some time with you, connect with you at some point while you're on the leg between Dubai and Italy because we'd love to hear how things are going over in Africa. [00:52:20] Speaker A: But if it doesn't work, we want to definitely record with you when you're back on land because we know you're going to be quite busy on that last Africa Lexington. [00:52:30] Speaker C: Yes. [00:52:31] Speaker B: But for now, just days. So we'll have to find a time while we're in Africa. That would just be too cool. [00:52:36] Speaker C: Yes. Well, for now, Ginny, just thank you so much for taking time out of your day. And please go get some rest, recharge. There's so much more adventure ahead for you. [00:52:44] Speaker B: Will do. Thank you. [00:52:49] Speaker C: Well, a big thank you to all of you out there for listening this week. We really, really appreciate it. Please be sure to subscribe to the podcast. You can keep getting great content from the DCL duo each week. We'd also love it if you'd head over to Apple Podcasts and leave us a five star review. If you hit those five stars, that's great. If you leave us a written review along with a five star review, we will be sure to read it on the air at the end of one of our main episodes. If you're hovering over anything less than five stars, we really want you to reach out to us so we can take your feedback. 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