[00:00:00] Speaker A: The new ship in 27. So that's the first one that will impact kind of what we're talking about tonight. So that's how I've done this is by ships coming into the fleet. So is the D23 Horizon ship comes in and I'm going to take a leap here and I'm going to prognosticate now. I like the first one is going to call the Disney Enchantment.
[00:00:31] Speaker B: Hello everyone. Hello everyone and welcome back to another live bonus episode of the DCL Duo Podcast brought to you by my Path Unwinding Travel. We are also brought to you by the WDW magazine who will soon be bringing you the DCL magazine. If you are interested in getting your very own print copy or web based copy of the DCL magazine, visit dcl-magazine.com if you subscribe or purchase anything, you can use the bonus code DCLDUO capitalize everything and you'll get 10% off all of your purchases. But I want to say thank you to DCL magazine and WTW magazine as well as my Path Unwinding Travel for sponsoring today's show. As you can see, Brian is not with me but I do have my tinfoil mini ears on because I am joined by our very own guest roving reporter correspondent. What should we call uct but our very own tinfoil mouse ears. Welcome again.
[00:01:35] Speaker A: Ct. Crazy fan. Crazy fan.
[00:01:38] Speaker B: Crazy fan.
[00:01:39] Speaker A: Crazy ideas. Crazy ideas.
[00:01:40] Speaker B: Crazy. I think Idea Guy is actually a perfect way to describe you.
You are the one who came up with today's show topic, of course. And so super excited for us to be able to talk about where is Disney's fleet going next. We've got 13 ships that we're going to have at some point soon and so we've got to know where are we going next? We've got some people joining us so we'll say hi to Tracy. Hey Tracy. We got to say hi to Jeff who's joining us and Brian is already correcting me. Dcl-magazine.com thanks Brian. Brian is watching the show all the way from Louisville, Kentucky where he is taking care of some family stuff. He doesn't have great Internet and so. And he doesn't have a setup like I've got or like CT's got there. And so he is not joining us for tonight's show. We've got Holly saying hi to me and ct. Oh, and Tracy wants to know, does Brian know I stole his microphone? Well, he, he knows now. He knows now that I stole his microphone. I'm actually on my laptop, but as you can tell, I'm in his. His normal recording space.
[00:03:00] Speaker A: So you were stealing his lines recently on an episode I listened to.
So. So now you're going for the mic and the whole setup.
[00:03:07] Speaker B: And the whole setup. Well, you know, the best thing about his setup is he's got this. So I have my laptop here and it's got like this little, like, I don't know, 1314 inch screen, but right behind it is Brian's monitor that's. I don't even know how big. It's like. It's like two and a half feet long. It's like that's how wide. But as Ed is saying, Brian is backseat hosting. That sounds about right. Brian is not one to sit in the passenger seat of a car, let's just put it that way.
[00:03:36] Speaker A: Anyway, before we get started, can we just wish a happy veterans to all the veterans that are listening tonight? Like veterans, right?
[00:03:43] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:03:44] Speaker A: I think sacrifice from families, whether it's children and helping those veterans after they get home and, you know, being away from more and more, they're gone. So just a big happy Veterans Day, all the veterans out there.
[00:03:55] Speaker B: Yes.
And to you, Connecticut, thank you for your service. Connecticut is a veteran himself. He comes from, actually a long line of veterans. We were just chatting about it before the show. My dad is also a veteran, so. Happy Veterans Day, dad. Happy Veterans Day, Connecticut. Happy Veterans Day. I know we've got a bunch of veterans in our community, some active duty military. Thank you to all of them. But as Connecticut mentioned, a special thanks to all of your spouses, your children, your parents, all of the people at home that are are waiting for you, supporting you and making it so. Making it possible so that you can serve your country and that you can give such a huge sacrifice. So we really, really, really appreciate it. Thanks for. Thanks for saying that, ct. Even though I feel like I should be saying it to you.
[00:04:43] Speaker A: Nah, still great. I mean, my dad's my favorite veteran.
[00:04:47] Speaker B: Oh, that's really sweet. That's really sweet. All right, well, we also got. Vicki just joined us. Hi, Vicki. We've got lots of people joining us, of course. Always feel free to comment and ask questions as we go along. I will bring them up if. If, you know, if it's on topic. If I don't get to your comment in the middle of the show, I'll try and get to them at the end. Unless it's just a high. I might not get to every single high that comes up, but as people come in, just feel free to join in the conversation. As I mentioned tonight, we are going to be talking about where will DCLS fleet go next? So I'm going to share, I'm going to share a PowerPoint.
And yes, Tracy. I want to tell Tracy out here, oops, that's the wrong, that's the wrong screen.
This is actually from your article. Not.
[00:05:44] Speaker A: That's funny. I have that same screen up on my, the other half of my monitor right now.
[00:05:49] Speaker B: Yep, I have that. I have, I have two.
[00:05:52] Speaker A: So while you're, while you're doing that, Sam, I'll just mention. So what we.
Well, you know, I started writing for the blog a while back and one of the articles I wanted to get after, right away is with all these great new ships that have been announced to be added to the Disney fleet. I thought, like, where are they going to put all these ships? Right? So I kind of dug into it. I did some research on some of the most popular cruise ports, places where Disney's not at where I think they'd want to, want to grow the business. So I would say that the October 12th article does a good job of talking about the availability for Disney. But has it matured into tonight's discussion? I really got specific of what ships are going elsewhere. So if you look at the October 12th article, there are some differences, but there's still some great insights I think there on where some of these places are and probably will deviate from the discussion tonight. So please go out and take a look at the blog. There's some great articles on there. I mean, obviously Brian's given some of the latest and greatest from the cruise line when he gets a chance. But I am, I'm trying to get on there every week. We miss this week, but we'll, we'll get back to it this upcoming week.
[00:06:57] Speaker B: You deserve a week off, maybe a day off for veterans. Acg. Thank you.
[00:07:02] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:07:03] Speaker B: Maybe a Monday like today. And I have to bring up this comment because it's hilarious. Tracy says I need a PowerPoint. I told you, Tracy, some of the guests do PowerPoints. I will tell you that Connecticut did this PowerPoint. As you all know, I am not a PowerPoint expert. The last time I did a PowerPoint was actually the last show I did with CT, but I did the PowerPoint and then he redid the PowerPoint, meaning he just did it up and made it look really nice and beautiful.
[00:07:33] Speaker A: So just click on home real quick at the top and that'll take away the top banner for us.
There you go.
[00:07:40] Speaker B: There we go.
[00:07:40] Speaker A: Slide down that, that key of all the slides. We'll just drag it into the line between the slide and make it bigger for our guests tonight. There we go.
[00:07:50] Speaker B: I love that. Look at that. Wow. CT is teaching me all the tricks.
All right, so ct, what before we dive in, what resources did you look at to try and kind of cobble together like give. I mean just some. Give our audience a little bit of an idea of like what kinds of things you were looking at to sort of make the prognostications and the. And educated guesses that we're going to be talking about today.
[00:08:18] Speaker A: So it starts with a couple of computer screens that I have in front of me and it turns into red yarn that gets dragged all around the room with tinfoil, foil, mouse ears on and I start to like lose it a little bit and throw my arms around any. Now cruise industry. I looked at some cruise industry magazines I've really been getting especially during this article. In some of the other ones more recently, like the Jumboization, I've actually been learning a lot about just the making the ships in the industry. I've been trying to dig into some of the contract work more and understanding how the contracts go for some of the debarkation ports and how those contracts are different from some of the places they stop and what those look like for the cruise lines. I just been digging into the business. Digging into the business. Scott Sanders is a great resource for me too. I've been really digging in like if you want something historical about Disney Cruise Line. Oh yeah, that's got a unbelievable archive of information. Back to the Mouse. Joe from Back to the Mouse. I looked at his website for some stuff too on some of the articles. So there's some great resources out there that are provided by great folks in the community like the duo. Right.
But then there's also some great resources in the community from some of those other folks.
[00:09:31] Speaker B: So yeah. And whenever there's an itinerary release, I have to say Scott Sanders does a really great summary of you know what that itinerary release does. We like to do itinerary release shows. We don't always do them, but we don't tend to write an article about it. We usually just talk about it on the show. But he does a really nice job in those articles. I will say we were basically stalking Disney. Right. Ct. That's what that's Tracy said Stalking Adjacent.
[00:09:56] Speaker A: Whatever's on the legal non creepy side of stalking. Stalking Adjacent.
[00:10:02] Speaker B: You know, it's funny, Tracy likes to call herself Bougie. Adjacent because she hangs out with us and the moral family, and we all sort of acknowledge we are kind of bougie. I do want to say a special hi to Taryn, who is a veteran. Thanks for your service, Taryn.
Glad that you're here with us tonight. All right, well, let's. Let's get started on this PowerPoint then. I'm going to start with the first slide, and I think the first slide tells us. Yeah, where is. Where is the fleet today? Ish. I love that you put it this way. I think I'll start here because this is like the easy stuff that I know. And I say the easy stuff that I know because I did not do the deep dive research. Of course I read CT's article and I've looked at these slides, so I know where he's going with all these prognostications, but I did not do the deep dive that he did. So we know the magic this is. We're talking about in 2026 because we know what's coming out over the next couple of years. Right? We know. Next month. We know. Actually, the treasure should be in Port Canaveral tomorrow. Oh, by the way.
[00:11:09] Speaker A: Done saving lives on the way.
[00:11:10] Speaker B: I was gonna say we need to give a special shout out to the Disney treasurer. We didn't have any news to talk about today, meaning no announcements by Disney. But yesterday the Disney treasure saved some, I think, four people off of a catamaran out. Near. Near the coast of Bermuda. They actually, from what I heard, had to turn around from where they were and travel about four hours to these people, pick them up. And I'm not sure if they were taking them all the way back to Port Canaveral or if a Coast Guard.
[00:11:41] Speaker A: Ship came, they met the Coast Guard is the article I saw. I'm not 100. I mean, catching articles in. I was traveling this weekend, so, you know, catching stuff in between. But I believe the Coast Guard met them. So, again, like, Veterans Day. Right, Like.
And that's a great show. If you guys have not listened to that show, go back in the archive. It was amazing. That's one of my favorites.
[00:12:00] Speaker B: Yes. It's one of my favorite shows, for sure. Kevin was such a great guest. He's now. He teaches now Coast Guard rescue swimmers, but he himself was a Coast Guard rescue swimmer. Okay, so the treasurer, obviously is landing in Port Canaveral tomorrow. Tomorrow morning, I believe. She's then going to be there for a couple of days and then travel up to New York and there's going to be some folks are going to get to go on to tour her and actually we're going to have one of them on the show next week. This is great, great time for me to give you a highlight to next week's show is not going to be on Monday and the reason for that is because the visit to the Treasure is not until Wednesday. So we've got Emily from we do Disney right coming on to our show next Thursday. So next Thursday we'll be live. Brian and I both will be live with you and with Emily talking about what she saw on the Disney treasure. It will be at 4:30 Pacific, 7:30 Eastern. So not our normal time. But stay tuned. I hope you can be with us next Thursday instead of next Monday. So sorry, let's go back. We've got the Treasure is coming out next month. The Destiny is coming out November of next year. The adventure is coming out December of next year. So for 2026 we know the magic is doing some things right. She's going to do Galveston, the Panama Canal. We think she's going to be heading to the west coast to do her dry dock. Disney Wonder is going to be staying on the West Coast. She's going to be doing her normal Alaska season. She's going to be doing Australia, New Zealand and the Trans Pacific crossings, of course, the ones that stop in Hawaii. Disney dream is doing well. Do we know if it's going to be the dream doing Europe or do we know if it's going to be the fantasy? I can't remember.
[00:13:49] Speaker A: It's going to be the dream.
[00:13:51] Speaker B: Okay. All right.
[00:13:52] Speaker A: It hasn't said it yet but it stops the timing continue whereas the fantasy continues to have that's well into May.
[00:14:01] Speaker B: That's how I figured out the Fantasy was going in 2025. From that exact timing I've learned from the best sleuthing Sam sleuthing CT now. Yeah.
So okay, so the dream is going to be doing her sail out of Port Everglades. Of course in the Europe season Disney Fantasy is switching to that four five night Bahamas itineraries because obviously the treasure is taking over her seven night eastern Western Caribbean itineraries. The Wish is going to continue doing her three four night itineraries in the Bahamas. And then of course the treasure, the treasure and the destiny they have been announced. Obviously the treasurer doing the eastern Western Caribbean seven nights. And then the Destiny is going to be out of Port Everglades doing that four and five night Bahamian. Some of them are actually Western Caribbean itineraries also. And then the adventure, which we have just announced, what, a couple shows ago that she's going to be doing three and four night adventures at sea, meaning she's not going to be stopping at port. So we know where everybody else is going to be. Right, but that's not the interesting stuff. What we want to know is where's the, where's the new stuff? What does Chef have that is new?
And so when we look at 20, 26, what are, what do we, what do we know? Connecticut. And what do we not know?
[00:15:25] Speaker A: So you know, again, the maybe for Veterans Day, right. Never prepare a brief for the boss without some assumptions. So let's make some assumptions together.
The first one's going to be is I dug in and from the Meyerwerft websites, they already have a placeholder in their fleet of design ships that covers The Oriental Land Company ship that ships to deliver in 28, sail in 29, it's going to be 1400. And they're calling it a wish class ship. So we're already getting that from the boat maker. So I'm just going to assume that their website is right for what we're doing tonight and that we know what's happening there. The next one is the Cruise Industry news Cruise Ship over order book. And you guys have shared this, I believe, on both the Facebook page and on your Twitter. It's kind of floated around, what about two months ago, shortly after the Horizon announcements, and that is claiming that we'll see 160,000 gross tonnage ships in 27, 29, 30 and 31.
And it describes it, it's a new class in some of the corners of that website. So we're just going to go with assuming that that website is also correct. The other thing I want to point out here is the magic in 26, which we've kind of talked about already, is due for a dry dock. But as we come into 26, guess what? The wish is going to turn five, which means she is also due for a dry dock.
[00:16:58] Speaker B: Isn't that crazy that the wish is going to be five?
[00:17:01] Speaker A: Because the wish started, if you remember, pre Covid, right. While it was delayed by Covid a little bit. So much of the ship was done. But because the order book kind of got pushed back with Meyer Werft, we saw like the treasure is just now coming as the second one in the wish class. But like, how long has the wish been sailing before the treasure actually sails?
[00:17:22] Speaker B: Yeah, you're right.
[00:17:24] Speaker A: So because of that gap that we're kind of. That's a Place where we are. So as you go through, some of those stars are going to kind of the guesses of the year that we're going to see some dry docks out of the ships based on some of the rules that are followed.
All right, all right, so more assumptions. The data is right. Right. We kind of covered that already. New ship class is coming. The dry docks are going to be a huge impact as we're going through. Also remember that sometime during this period, the Dream class is going to be 20 years old as well as the Wish and the Magic class.
[00:17:59] Speaker B: Right, yeah. That's crazy.
[00:18:01] Speaker A: I'm sorry, not the wish.
[00:18:02] Speaker B: Magic and the wonder. Yeah. So the magic and the Wonder obviously are already 20 years old. And so the fact that. Yeah, that the dream at least will be 20 years old and so she'll be shifting to every three years and then obviously a few years after the fantasy.
[00:18:18] Speaker A: And the last one is if you dig into the order book, right. It explicitly points out or specifically points out what ships are designed for the Asian market. I think that's probably an electronics thing, right. Like plugs and languages used on the ship and signage and all that stuff. So I mean, hopefully there's like, if you've ever used like a fancy toilet in Japan, hopefully we'll find that.
What is the equivalent of the great toilets on the Dream Class ships? Right. The Barcelona airport. Yeah, there you go. Perfect.
[00:18:50] Speaker B: But the Barcelona toilets don't have bidets built in. And the most of the. I feel like the fancy toilets will have a built in.
[00:18:58] Speaker A: Well, maybe it has that with like a nice warm seat. Like there's before your life using one of those toilets and after, if you don't know what we're talking about, you'll find out soon enough if you sail on one of these ships, hopefully. All right, so that's the rest of the assumptions. So, okay, so you know Tinfoil Mouseketeers? We've got a couple of them in the room tonight. I can see from who's watching. So.
[00:19:23] Speaker B: Yeah, well. And for those who don't know, a Tinfoil musketeer is someone who has contributed in some way to one of CT's articles prognostications. So myself and Brian are of course official members of the Tinfoil Mouseketeer Club. We're probably founding members. I want to. I want to. I just want to.
[00:19:42] Speaker A: The og. The original.
[00:19:44] Speaker B: We're the OG members, like president and vice president. I'm not going to say who's president and who's vice president because we don't want to start any fights, but I know that Sarah contributed. Sarah Tolch contributed to one of your articles. Tracy Andrago is contributing to one of your articles. I'm sure they'll have many more. So these, if you want to join the tinfoil Mouseketeer club, reach out to CT on social media media and you can join. And I hear there's maybe exclusive magnets that are coming.
[00:20:16] Speaker A: There are magnets. They're supposed to be here tomorrow. Yes, it would have been great if they'd arrived today so we could show them. But they will be here tomorrow.
[00:20:24] Speaker B: So I love that.
[00:20:25] Speaker A: Okay. All right, so this kind of just highlights a little bit. That's on the last. We're gonna look at itineraries today. We're gonna look at departure ports. We're gonna talk about some of the big open ended transitions. This is not designed to hit every single itinerary that Disney's gonna design, but we're gonna talk about the unique flavor that we're gonna see different ships and then we're gonna talk about the major dry docks and how Disney's gonna manage the inventory by shuffling the fleet a little, which is a little bit of an extension on the article from the 12th. This is where we're gonna take the next best step with the article. So.
[00:20:54] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. All right, so here's, here's some wonderful pictures. I know where. Well, actually you can see at the very bottom. Actually it's probably too small for people to see, but I can see we've got New Orleans, we've got San Juan and we've got the ABC Islands Aruba.
[00:21:12] Speaker A: So I think that's what we're going to see is the big impact for the when the next ship comes out. I think we're going to see a return to New Orleans. I really think that Disney wants to get back there. They kind of made a big investment. They tried it out. I think there's some parts they like about it. I think there's some complications with the fog and the delta, but I think, I think the juice is worth the squeeze for them to get back there. I think because of the ship they're going to use. We also are going to see a return to Key West. I think I'm hoping, oh, I really.
[00:21:39] Speaker B: Hope that would be a great.
[00:21:41] Speaker A: That we'll see some western itinerary and then we'll send see some go to Key west and maybe hit one of Disney's private islands and come back. They used to do an itinerary like that. Yes, especially over the Christmas holiday, I think we're going to see a return to that. I think we'll see this ship also take on. And we'll see a ship take on a little more of a presence in San Juan and we'll see a mix of that South Caribbean and then I think we'll regularly see the ABC Islands return to the itinerary.
[00:22:07] Speaker B: That would be amazing. Especially if there's a ship that's sort ported out of San Juan even for part of the year. I mean that is a much easier trip down to Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao from San Juan to do that southern itinerary. They could even pop up and hit Castaway or Lookout Key. That's certainly, I mean it's not super close, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility for a longer sailing. In particular, I love this idea of them going back to New Orleans. Obviously we sailed on the Wonder out of New Orleans and it's just iconic. It's such a wonderful city to sail from, such a wonderful city to visit.
And I will say the first time we had it booked, it was originally supposed to go to Key west. Our first sailing. We didn't sail this itinerary because of COVID changes and whatnot. But we were supposed to be hitting Key west and. Or actually no, it wasn't Covid. It was because of the Key west restrictions on sailings to the port. And so we were supposed to go to I think Key west and Castaway and that would have been an amazing itinerary. I would love for them to get that in the rotation or Key Weston Lookout. But it definitely, I mean they can hit it from Galveston too. It's just again a longer, a little bit longer of a. Of a sailing. So that would be. That would be awesome. But that would be a good investment to me.
[00:23:31] Speaker A: So this is what it looks like. We'll see the release of the new ship in 27. So that's the first one that will impact kind of what we're talking about tonight. So that's how I've done this is by ships coming into the fleet. So as the D23 Horizon ship comes in. And I'm going to take a leap here and I'm going to prognosticate now. I like that the first one is going to call the Disney Enchantment. Forgive the typo there, but It'll be that 160,000 GT ship and it'll be the Disney Enchantment which will then make.
[00:24:05] Speaker B: It the Enchantment class Ooh, yeah. I mean, that would be nice. But what about the Disney Imagine or Imagination?
That could be the Imagination in class. Not the Imagine class. The Imagination class, maybe. Yeah. Works better for a class. Yeah. For a class of ship. It does, it does sound. Yeah.
And we've got, we've got a question from.
[00:24:32] Speaker A: Yep. So the smaller ships. I see that a smaller ship like the Magic. Nope. So I think it's going to be the wish, though, that when you look at the size of those ships and you look at like what Virgin is doing with their ships and some of the others, the size of the ship isn't as big a deal as how many ships are showing up to Key West.
[00:24:53] Speaker B: Oh, interesting.
[00:24:54] Speaker A: And I think we're going to start seeing a shift in Virgin. I think Virgin is starting. They've only got. They're coming up on their third ship. I think they're going to branch out more.
[00:25:02] Speaker B: No, they have three. They're coming up on their fourth.
[00:25:04] Speaker A: Is it their fourth? And they're looking at branching out. It looks like Alaska and some more stuff in Europe. And I think that will. The timing and getting around that will create the opportunity, I think, for, For Disney. So.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, thanks for the question, Andrew. That's a great question. Yeah. He's asking about Key west, like smaller ships, because they do. They have had some restrictions at certain times. They've restricted larger ships.
[00:25:29] Speaker A: Correct. And I looked at it. It is really close.
I think it's going to be all right there. Well, you know what, we'll do the homework on that and we'll make up. Sure. There's a post to follow up, but when I initially did this, it was going to be the Magic, but I don't think that's the case for the mag future. So, yeah, yeah, we'll. We'll press forward, but we'll. We'll keep watching that. Andrew, That's a really good point.
[00:25:52] Speaker B: I will. I'll be honest, and I would say, I would. I would like to see a different ship. I mean, I love the Magic and I love the Wonder, but both of those have. Have done those ports have. You know, I've done the New Orleans, the Galveston. I have to say, I know that the Aussies and the Kiwis. I'll be honest, I'm not sure that this is going to hold. And when I say this, I mean the Disney Wonder going to Australia and New Zealand. I think there could be a flip flop. I mean, it might be just a flip flop of the Magic and the Wonder. Right. Because from What I'm hearing just anecdotally from the Aussies and the Kiwis, they're going to want something new. Right. They're going to have had the wonder for three years already. And so 2027 would be her fourth year heading out there in the fall if she goes. And so, yeah, I'm, I'm gonna just, I'm just gonna make my own prognostication and say that it's not going to be the Wonder that goes there and that it's more likely to be the Magic though than the rest because of the size.
Yeah, I think that, Yeah, I think they'll swap and I. And I think that it makes sense just from the size because everybody wants to go under the Sydney Bridge. Right. And I think the Magic is the only one and the Wonder and the Magic are the two that can, I think, fit.
[00:27:10] Speaker A: I think the piece to watch on that is if the Magic gets the same. When the Magic gets its dry dock, if the antenna array gets the same ability to fold down, I think that will tell us right away Disney is looking at bringing the Magic out to Australia. I think as we see that dry dock in 26, that'll give it away for sure if they don't tell us before that.
[00:27:33] Speaker B: Yep. And Vicki is agreeing with me that already the Wonder this year sales are down. Yeah. And actually Connecticut and I were talking about this before the show. That is particularly right now because there's no holiday going on right now in Australia and they're sailing out of Brisbane and it's like sort of the middle of the school year for them until they hit their summer break in mid, I think December. And so right before obviously the Christmas holidays, that's their. They go on like a six week summer break. And so right now they're all in session and so they're having I think a hard time right now filling it. I think, you know, the last. Over. Over some holidays they've been able to fill it, of course, and.
[00:28:13] Speaker A: Yeah, but they have been doing. We, we were talking, there's some rumors that they're only doing a single seating for dinner right now because. Because sales are down so much there. So I mean, that's half right. So we're already hearing.
[00:28:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:28:26] Speaker A: And maybe the Australian adventure doesn't. I did not account for that. I thought about it some. Maybe the Australian adventure is not one that Disney sticks with long term based on sales. We'll just have to see. It's not drawing maybe enough of us that way to, you know, to sail on these ships. We'll just have to keep watching that one.
[00:28:42] Speaker B: But yes, I mean they have all good thoughts. Yeah, they have such a great fan base there. So it seems like it should be something that works but it's just a matter of, you know, can they keep getting new people or the same people and if you're going to have the same people then you got to give them a different ship. Whereas if you're going to have, if you can keep getting new passengers. But remember, the population of Australia in particular as compared to the US is much, much smaller. It's a very large piece of land but much, much smaller population. And, and as I don't know if this is Vanessa or Andrew on the on accessible adventures with Andrew but because the Australia cruises are not long, they're just in and out staycations too. So they don't have, they do go to some ports but they don't have their ports that are very familiar to the Aussies and the Kiwis.
[00:29:31] Speaker A: Next year in the itinerary release there's some longer itineraries on the Australian and.
[00:29:36] Speaker B: I think Christmas one in particular.
[00:29:38] Speaker A: Yes, I think that will change the flavor of it and we'll see what happens then. Do you want to go ahead and start talking about the next one?
[00:29:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:29:48] Speaker A: So the next one's an exciting one.
[00:29:50] Speaker B: I love all these pictures because these are the Asian parks.
[00:29:53] Speaker A: Yeah. So this slide was supposed to build over time but that doesn't, the stream yard doesn't work so well with that. But my prediction is we're initially going to see some shorter cruises for Tokyo Disneyland that look more like adventures at sea or magic at sea kind of trips. But then they're going to expand out to Kyoto and Seoul, Korea for the Republic of Korea and those that is a common itinerary for that part of the world. But I'm going to take a little bit of a leap and hope and some real far reaching on the prognostications and say what a lot of people's dream crews should be when they are a guest on your show show and doing the rapid fire run and that is let's see the ship go back and forth kind of like the Barcelona Chitta Tavecchia kind of bounce back and forth that we see in the Europe season. And let's do an open ended trip from Tokyo that stops in Shanghai and goes to Hong Kong. You get off and disembark there or you back to back it and you hit those, you know, three parts coming back. I think that that's a really good opportunity for Disney if they, you Oriental Land Company. If anybody is adventurous enough.
[00:31:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
And to Tracy's point, people, we love dcl, but we're not going to go all the way to Asia for a three night, three, four night cruise. So if we're going to either back to back it and do multiple cruises or maybe we're going for a short cruise and we're doing a trip to Tokyo Disney Sea or we're going on a cruise and then we're going to fly to Shanghai and do Shanghai Disneyland. Right. So it's, it's going to be a bigger trip and this makes a whole lot of sense.
[00:31:43] Speaker A: This will also be a different market than the Australia market because we're talking high density locations like Japan and South Korea.
[00:31:49] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:31:50] Speaker A: That are going to want to get in on this and maybe eventually the Chinese market if it does that kind of Hong Kong bounce back and forth. So we'll just have to see. Time will tell. But that's where I kind of, I was dreaming with this one a little bit.
[00:32:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I will tell you, I think it's, I think it's inspired dreaming. Okay. Because I think I would, I would love to do these kinds of sailings. I think a lot of Disney fans would really be into this. And so I mean it's really just, you know, the sky's the limit. Right. How much, how much money do we have to be able to give to Mickey Mouse to be able to get on these?
[00:32:24] Speaker A: Well, part of the inspiration for this is one is just the imagineering that happens in Tokyo is just different. Just hits different. And then the other thing I'll say is look at what ABD is doing right now with the, the, what is it? The, the $1 million trip.
[00:32:41] Speaker B: Oh, the. Around the world much.
[00:32:42] Speaker A: But the around the world, right?
[00:32:43] Speaker B: Yes. It was 100, we'll say $100,000. Well, the first one was I think $100,000. And I think the second year it was like 110 or $115,000 per person for like 20 some days. 21, 22 days, something like that.
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[00:33:59] Speaker B: By the way, Rachel is saying she has signed up for that New Zealand to Australia Christmas cruise next year and super excited.
[00:34:05] Speaker A: Amazing.
[00:34:06] Speaker B: Rachel, we're jealous. Yeah.
[00:34:08] Speaker A: Yeah. There's a national park that it's hitting in New Zealand and my heart just wants that one so bad. But there's so many other trips next year that it also doesn't line up with the school schedule for my wife who's a teacher. So Mrs. Tinfoil Mouse here has had. Has got to have approval on these things. Okay. So you'll see that we're adding the olc. You know, we really didn't talk about it before too. Is obviously we. I think we can agree, Sam, the new Enchantment class ship is going to take up that three and four night that we normally see because.
[00:34:43] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:34:44] Speaker A: That's what Disney does with the new ship.
[00:34:46] Speaker B: Yes. Well, I mean, they alternate. Right. They alternate where they're. Where it's going to be. But in the schedule. Right. If they do it every, like, third ship, which is what they've done with the wish class. Right. We've got three, four night, seven night and then the four, four, five or four five, five. Yeah. So that. That, that totally. That totally tracks with me. I love, by the way, that ship number two in the Enchantment class is the Disney imagination.
[00:35:13] Speaker A: I think this is actually the last ship in the wish class.
[00:35:16] Speaker B: Oh, this is the last ship. Oh.
[00:35:19] Speaker A: The reason why I picked imagine here or Imagination is because you remember that piece of art that showed it with the other ship? I think that this is the one.
[00:35:28] Speaker B: Oh, you think that's where that came from?
[00:35:31] Speaker A: Maybe it's a Wish class ship. Maybe I'm just. That's where I'm at. Wish class ship.
[00:35:36] Speaker B: Oh. Which would be the OLC ship. Right. That has to be the O.L. sea ship. Which we know is going to sail out of Japan primarily, but out of, you know, out of, out of Tokyo.
[00:35:48] Speaker A: Hopefully other places in the future.
[00:35:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. I like this. This is an interesting one that you. The name. But I'm not sure I agree with you on this. But that's okay. We don't have to agree on everything, but what do we have here?
[00:36:02] Speaker A: All right, so I think we're going to get a little bit of an expansion to some places. Disney has not gone previously in the Caribbean or off the coast of Florida there. And I think it's time Disney get to Turks and Caico, maybe to the Dominican Republic about Key West a little more. Still think there's an opportunity there. We'll see how that goes because the great comments Vanessa's making about Key West. We'll take a look.
Rod Scott. We're going to come up to the east coast eventually, so hold on. But I think we're going to see. And then the big thing here, I think is we're going to see both Dream class ships go to Europe when they have this ship to the fleet. Because if you go way back in time, Disney sometimes would go north at the start of the year and then south at the second year and then they did the south the second or the first part of the year in the north, you know, Mediterranean, North Europe, they kind of, you know, they would swap in years.
[00:37:02] Speaker B: Right.
[00:37:02] Speaker A: I think that there's enough customer, enough desire, enough drive to put two ships in Europe and give it a swing and see how big Disney can swing out there in that market.
[00:37:15] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, that would be great. Because if they could do more cruises that hit like Norway and Iceland, some more cruises that do maybe the full British Isles cruise and then still be able to continue to do all those cruises in the Med. I think that would be, that would be a real, a real win for.
[00:37:33] Speaker A: Hopefully by then maybe the Baltic states opened back up. They had some interesting stops there in the past.
[00:37:39] Speaker B: So I would love to do St. Petersburg. That's. I mean, obviously that might be a while. It may never be, but that's one that I've always wanted to do.
[00:37:48] Speaker A: Takes a while to build a ship. Sam. We'll just hope for peace, right?
[00:37:52] Speaker B: It does.
[00:37:52] Speaker A: Okay. So a lot of changes here. Okay. We're going to see the, the, the legend deliver the second in the end, by the way.
[00:38:02] Speaker B: I just want to put this out there for folks who are watching who've just joined us. These are prognostications. These, these are, these are educated guesses. And that's why we have our tinfoil mouse ears on. Because CT is prognosticating based on some information that we, we reasonably know and are sort of making assumptions that might be true and then making some educated guesses and also putting. Adding some of his own imagination in here. So for example, the name, the Disney Legends. This is all ct. I like it.
[00:38:35] Speaker A: And consistent with another article on the substack talking about naming the new fleet.
[00:38:40] Speaker B: Yes, I love it.
[00:38:42] Speaker A: We're tying a couple of them in together here. So a couple of big ones here that we're going to see.
[00:38:45] Speaker B: This is interesting. Yeah, this is an interesting prognostication. The Disney trend going to.
[00:38:50] Speaker A: Oh, I think we're going to see the Legend take over the east west rotating as the second ship in the Enchantment class. I think either Miami or Port Everglades is coming to the Disney Treasure to do some of those places we talked about just previously that Turks and Caico, the Dominican Republic for the Disney Dream and the Treasure. They're both due for a dry dock at this time. So I don't know if they'll be able to do that. Is it in Freeport? Do they have to take the ship somewhere else? We'll see that. I guess as the ships got bigger, that's going to get more complicated. Complicated. And I don't want to talk about bridges any more than we already have. But you know how I feel about bridges.
[00:39:25] Speaker B: Absolutely. Well, the Disney Dream just did her dry dock over in Europe. So if she goes over to Europe for the European season in 2029, then she could just do her dry dock at the end of that European season like she did this year and like we know the Fantasy is doing next year. But you're right. So there's basically three places that Disney does dry docks. One is in Freeport, Bahamas. One is in British Columbia near Vancouver, and then one of them is over in Rest, France. Yeah, exactly. Over in Europe. So those are the three main places. That doesn't mean there aren't other places they could do their dry docks. But that's where they typically do the dry docks. And so these. I like this prognostication. This is kind of an interesting one, the Treasure moving, but it makes sense because. Because if we get your Enchantment class ship number two, then that would make sense. She'd be taking over the seven night east west, which the Treasure at that point. So Treasure is going to be sailing December 2024. Treasure is going to hit at the end of 2029. She's going to hit five years sailing. So yeah, that makes sense. She would be taken off that rotation if there's a new ship coming in. And it does make sense. I don't know if people realize this, but it does make sense for Disney to bring the new SH ships and have them out of Port Canaveral and Port Everglades because that's kind of their bread and butter Caribbean. And so maybe those ports might not be Caribbean and Bahamas. Those ports might not be super adventurous. I mean, they're definitely still a draw to a lot of people because they're, you know, beautiful beaches, nice warm weather locations, but they're not really exotic places. But it's the ship that's the draw when you go to those places.
[00:41:13] Speaker A: A lot of times there's also the P L. Right. If we're going to look at profit and loss statement, Disney gets to keep more of its margins when you go to the private islands because your destination and your port Adventures are. Disney is double dipping. They're getting the. You're booking on the ship and you're booking something that's being run from their private island. And oh, by the way, you're buying drinks from them instead of drinks from Nachi. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[00:41:43] Speaker B: So absolutely. Now Vanessa is on Adventures, accessible adventures with Andrew. She's saying, I think Miami's out with the investment in Port Everglades.
That could be true. But once we have this many ships, I think CT's point makes sense. It could. They might run out of space at Port Everglades of their rented space at Port Everglades.
[00:42:03] Speaker A: So that's what I looked at. So that's why I have Miami or Port Everglades. I think that's a really good point, Vanessa. And I was on the fence to just say Port Everglades, but I think that would mean a second.
I think that would be. That would mean Port Everglades would get as big as Port Canaveral for Disney. So I think they'd be looking at a second terminal by then. So we're either talking second terminal or at Port Everglades or we're talking Miami. Now Miami has a lot of space in the port right now. Port Everglades would need to expand into some of the other areas that are around there. So that's a difference. When you look at Port Canaveral and you look at expansion, there was an expansion that was actually just denied there. But there's a lot of open land out there. Even though it's the spaceport and some of the other things that SpaceX and some other places are doing in the US military has some land out there, but expansion in Port Canaveral was really easy for a few years here. Port Everglades, there's a lot of, you know, encumbrance around it with the city of Fort Lauderdale and all those communities that are around there. So it'll be interesting to see what happens. I think the trick for those one is, I think that's when we see the Turks and Caicos. I think we can see some Dominican Republic, but I think that would have to be out of that South Florida, either area, either Miami or Port Everglades. You know, we, we went out Miami once too, and it wasn't our favorite, but that was our first cruise. And I stand by, someone at our table once said, you don't know how to cruise the first time you cruise. And I stand behind that. It takes going a second time to kind of get a feeling of what the kind of what the rhythm of the day feels like and how to really take advantage of your time in a way that getting to relax the way that you want to or getting to the activities you want to or learning a little more about booking.
[00:43:47] Speaker B: So anyway, I highly recommend if you're going on your first cruise, taking an experienced cruiser with you if you can. I think that's a good tip because they can kind of show you the ropes. Because other otherwise you really, I think, have to do a lot of, a lot of research to kind of figure out what you really want to do and prioritize. And we tell people that all the time. You make a couple of prioritizations and then sort of the rest, let it be whatever it is, because you want to, you want to actually have some time to relax. So. All right, many times we've talked about that. But let's, let's talk about some other things. This is, I think, where we get into again, more prognostications.
We're talking about some iconic places.
You know, tell us, tell us where you think we could be going.
[00:44:33] Speaker A: We're expanding the fleet. I mean, like by now we will have more than doubled the fleet from where we are today.
[00:44:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:40] Speaker A: Based on what's sailing right. There are five ships sailing right. Right now. At this point, we would be at 12 ships in the fleet, if I'm doing my math, right on the slide. So listen, Disney just held D23 down in Brazil. In Brazil, that's obviously.
[00:44:56] Speaker B: And they did a market that they're interested in. They did a Run Disney event. I will tell You. I heard a rumor about a year ago that Disney Cruise Line call centers were ramping up their hiring of Portuguese speakers. I'm going to say I haven't heard anything announced about them sailing in South America yet. I say yet. But I am with you on this prognostication. I think it could even be sooner than this.
[00:45:22] Speaker A: I do too. I actually think it's sooner. But this is where I put it because it's where it made sense as I started laying out the chart.
[00:45:28] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:45:30] Speaker A: But it could happen sooner because they may decide to dip into this market and. Right. The 100% Disney is keeping all that. When we fill out a comment card at the end of a void voyage or at the end of a Walt Disney World visit, Listen, Disney is data mining as much information they can get about their customers at that moment. Not in a negative way, but in a way to learn their customer, learn where their customers are coming from and who they are. And how do we bring Disney to more customers that love us? Right. And I think Brazil and Argentina and I looked at the top 10 places in Brazil and Argentina.
You could fill a bucket list with Brazil and Argentina. If you're coming from this part of the world, if you haven't been down there before. I mean, just such a rich culture and so many beautiful places and things to see and places to go. And just think of like the Jungle Cruise tie ins and, you know, just a beautiful, you know, it just. I love it. And then some talk about New York City. I think it's time for sheep to get back to New York City. So we'll talk about that some as we look at how this fleet lays out.
[00:46:39] Speaker B: Perfect. Well, let's go there. 2030. Okay, so we're talking about 2030. The third of the enchantment class would be delivered in 2030. Connecticut's prognostication is the Disney Quest. I kind of love that Disney Quest comes full circle. For those who don't know, Disney Quest was this thing back at the day in what is now Disney Springs. It was called Downtown Disney. Back at the time you would go and you could like create your own roller coaster. It was basically, basically like all these kind of like video game type things that were all Disney themed and it was like an arcade almost. I loved Disney Quest. I, I remember that fondly from. I think the last time I was in Disney quest was in 1996 probably.
[00:47:28] Speaker A: I think it was the year after that or around about there. Sam 96 or 97. Yeah, yeah.
[00:47:33] Speaker B: Well, I, I remember it was 96. Because I was there for. For the 25th anniversary, and it was when the castle looked like cake. Yeah, I love the cake. I love the cake. Oh, it's still my favorite.
[00:47:46] Speaker A: It's actually one of my favorite pins. I have one of the 25 anniversary for the 50th.
[00:47:52] Speaker B: Oh, did they. Oh, I'm gonna. I might have to find that on ebay, because I absolutely loved the cake castle. I had a T shirt. I wish I still had it, but I had a T shirt that was like, the cake castle. And it said, you know, 25th anniversary. I loved it. Anyway, tell us where we're going for.
[00:48:09] Speaker A: The new Disney quest. Not real creative. We're really just shifting the Destiny and what it does because Disney puts those new ships right. They got to keep the Port Canaveral ports fresh because that's where most of their American customers, most of their clientele is coming from. They're coming from places across the U.S. canada, Mexico, most of North America, and they're making their way to Florida and then hopping. Great. Because we. Let's not forget through all of this, the bread and butter of Disney cruise is the land and sea vacation.
[00:48:42] Speaker B: Yes, absolutely.
[00:48:43] Speaker A: Hit the parks, then do that. That was why the cruise line started. And sticking with that, Disney will shift it down. What that'll do is create some opportunities for where the Disney Destiny can go. And I think we'll see the Disney Destiny, spend some time New York City, and we'll get back some of those. I don't know if Bar harbor will be on there unless they do some type of.
[00:49:02] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:49:03] Speaker A: Because Bar harbor is another one of these towns. But Juno has been doing it too, and. And Juno hasn't had success. I don't think Bar harbor has had success yet that Key west had. But we'll see. I would love to see Bar harbor come back. I'd love to see Boston. Boston, Such a great spot, especially in the summer.
[00:49:21] Speaker B: There's maybe Canada, maybe some.
[00:49:25] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Get up to Nova Scotia. Yeah, there's some great stuff. Maybe even take a long one. And there are some cruise lines that go in the St. Louis Seaway and go all the way to, like, Ottawa, Quebec City, I think, or Toronto, I think that would be really, really great.
[00:49:40] Speaker B: That would be amazing. I love. I love this idea. This is. This is another favorite of mine from. I just want to put that out out there that in 2030 is going to be turning 17 that year.
[00:49:53] Speaker A: So is that the year he can start paying for his own meals and his own portion of that I think.
[00:49:58] Speaker B: I mean, it might be when he goes away to college. I don't know if it'll be that year or the next or the year after. I can't. I can't remember what class he's in. But, I mean, I just haven't done the math.
[00:50:09] Speaker A: But you can take him to Paulo.
[00:50:11] Speaker B: I can take him to Paulo. He'll be 17, though. He'll be 17, so. But that's crazy because.
[00:50:17] Speaker A: Rest assure, there better be a chocolate souffle on this show. There better be a. Tracy's got me on this one.
[00:50:24] Speaker B: Better be a chocolate souffle. I love it. Well, Vanessa is happy with this. The east coast we've got also.
Vincenza is. She's happy about this too. Summer cruises from New York City would be great. A lot of people, people love going down to Bermuda from New York City.
[00:50:40] Speaker A: Yeah, let's get Bermuda back.
[00:50:42] Speaker B: Yeah. So that's, that's definitely in the mix if you've got, you know, if you got New York City on the, on that. Wow. That. Yeah.
[00:50:49] Speaker A: Vanessa's a saint.
[00:50:50] Speaker B: Yeah. And Vanessa's saying she's still paying for 22, 25 and 27 year olds. Yeah. You know, I'm sure we'll still be paying for Nathan because I'm sure he'll still be in school, but. Oh, and Tracy had to jump in and say chocolate souffle all day.
[00:51:05] Speaker A: Ct, I'm on Souffle kind Countdown.
[00:51:08] Speaker B: Yeah. CT and Tracy only sail on ships that have chocolate souffles, so.
[00:51:14] Speaker A: All right, so the Disney quest. And there's some other things that we've kind of missed here. And that's the Disney magic kind of hanging out with Vancouver and San Diego there that. That's happening. So there's some other things there.
[00:51:26] Speaker B: We have like two west coast ship. Well, still part time West Coast. Come on, ct, you couldn't give me a full time west coast ship? Beyond the Wonder. I mean, I love the Wonder.
[00:51:34] Speaker A: I think they're afraid of that market.
[00:51:37] Speaker B: I really do.
[00:51:39] Speaker A: The other one is look at all the dry docks Disney's gonna have to handle.
[00:51:45] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:51:45] Speaker A: Either this year or adjacent years next to it. Like that five year rule is not a hard and fast rule, but there's gonna be some dry docks around there. And the interesting one there is the Disney Adventure, because I think when that goes into dry dock the first time, Disney will be deciding because the Singapore lease is up at the same time, are they staying there? Are they gonna put it somewhere else? Are they refitting it to put somewhere else?
[00:52:08] Speaker B: That'll be discussion and it'll be interesting based on, you know, the, the way that it's set up. It's definitely different than the American chips, but I don't think it's so different that they couldn't bring it to the American market. Like, I mean, they, even the Asian restaurant that they put on there is like hibachi and sushi. Right. Like, so it's, it's not like it's super exotic for Americans. So it certainly, I think, could. Yeah. And Singapore is mostly English speaking, or at least primarily English speaking. So I think the signage, you'll have a mixture of signage too.
[00:52:43] Speaker A: There's a. I don't know if you've ever looked at the substack. There's. I queue up like three or four articles at a time in there and I just hop in and when I have a good thought and add to an article until I get to a place where I'm ready to really roll and finish one up. There's a bunch of ideas listed in one. And one of them is, does the adventure start crossing the Pacific every year and come back and forth? Does it just stay there? We're going to be talking about the adventure in a couple of weeks here.
[00:53:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:53:16] Speaker A: Probably before Christmas. So look out for that article.
[00:53:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:53:19] Speaker A: And so that's the trick, Vanessa, based on size and fuel. So we're looking at that and we're going to be talking about that. That's a great point.
[00:53:26] Speaker B: Exactly. And at this point, some of that is still tbd, Right. Because right now there's only a couple of places in the world it can. But that doesn't mean there aren't more that are coming online. And it was, you know, it was the same thing with the Wish class, even when they came online.
[00:53:42] Speaker A: There's also a trick with range on that ship because of the size, actually get pretty far on that big tank.
[00:53:49] Speaker B: Cool. All right, well, here we go. This is. We're coming to the. We're getting towards the end, you guys. So winding down this, we've got. I love these ideas. We've got Charleston, South Carolina on here. We got Bermuda on here. We've got, of course, east and Western Caribbean. What are we talking about here?
[00:54:07] Speaker A: Okay, so we've got our last ship coming up here, but I looked at some of the largest cruise ports in the country. I looked at cruise ports that have space. And right now Charleston's a huge opportunity for any cruise line that wants to get in there. There are a couple of Princess ships and stuff like that. That come out of there from time to time.
I think I also saw it on Carnival's list of locations that they travel to. I think Charleston is an interesting spot to travel that creates more opportunities for Disney to find more clientele. I think sometimes for people, you know, I've got a family of five or six and I want to go on a Disney cruise, but I have to spend X number of dollars to get on a plane first.
[00:54:48] Speaker B: Right.
[00:54:49] Speaker A: I think the more opportunities Disney creates on the east coast or the west coast for folks just to pack up the car, bring it out to a cruise port and park. I think I researched Charleston, thought they eliminated Carnival. They may have, they may have removed Carnival. I didn't see that. But yeah, I think there's an opportunity. You know, I kind of stayed away from Baltimore because I don't understand enough of what's happening with the terrible bridge accident that happened earlier this year.
I was a little sensitive to that. So I didn't, I didn't really touch that one. I looked at Philadelphia. Philadelphia has got some things going on there. I don't think all great ideas and maybe there but I do think someplace between Philadelphia, Baltimore and Charleston. Charleston just happened to be the one, one that looked primed for Disney to move into.
[00:55:41] Speaker B: Yeah, that makes sense. And I wouldn't be surprised if they do some hopping around right at this point. So that's the other thing about the East Coast. All these ports are so close together. So if they can't get a permanent like or sort of long term spot in one of the docks on the east coast like Charleston for example, they could do a lot of, you know, hopping from port to port and do. And again they're not far apart so people can, even if they don't return to the same port, people can drive or take, you know, Amtrak. There's so many transportation options on the east coast that it's, it's I think a lot easier than when you're talking about on the West Coast. So 2031, 2032 is what we're talking about here. Wow.
[00:56:26] Speaker A: So the other thing that I looked at here with making the decision was it be the magic.
And so the other piece of Charleston was, is it was further south than the other locations. So getting to the private islands would be easier. Getting right. The Bahamas is kind of the, the start of and the bread and butter and there's so much room between constant port expansions at Nassau. I just that that's how I landed on Charleston. But yeah, certainly could be. I love the Savannah Idea.
Yeah. All great thoughts. Norfolk, Savannah. So that's why it's the Disney Magic out of there when it's not spending its time on the West Coast.
You see the Disney fantasy taking on Galveston. And then I think the Disney Discovery, the last of the Enchantment class. Sorry, there's a typo there. It's 2031, but I think we're gonna see west east rotating. So what we'll see is when the Treasure goes one way. Oh, Discovery goes the other. And then, right. Like ships in the night, they pass and one goes west and one goes east. A lot of cruise lines right now run their fleet that way.
Obviously, Royal has a lot more ships, so that's possible. But.
[00:57:42] Speaker B: And this is also still based on the assumption that these four ships are all going to be of the same tonnage, the 160 gross. 160,000 gross tons. And so that they would all be one new class of ship, slightly bigger than the Wish class ship, which could be. Might not. Might not actually be bigger passenger wise. It could. Like, we know between, you know, the Wish class and the Dream class, that it's really not a change in the passenger size. It's really a change in the size of the ship based on their fuel systems and fuel capacity that they need. And so we don't know.
I still, I still say that we are going to be getting smaller ships at some point. I don't know if it's going to be before 2032. Right. Like, I still believe that Disney will be giving us a smaller class of ship at some point. Maybe not as small as the Magic and the Wonder, but that's still my prognostication.
[00:58:34] Speaker A: So I will take and do a prognostication a step further. I really believe that Disney has announced all these ships, but I don't think.
I think Disney looks at the fleet as a whole and a replacement for the Magic and Wonder would get announced and could possibly be coming while these ships are happening.
[00:58:57] Speaker B: Oh, interesting. Well, they could certainly announce it. I mean, they could still bring out. I mean, they don't necessarily have to introduce it right before. I would imagine sometime in, I don't know, let's say 2030. Right. They could say, hey, the Magic is going to be retired at 2035 and we're the next. We're building her replacement, you know, the Magic, Magic 2 or something like that.
[00:59:20] Speaker A: They also don't have to use Meyer Werft for every ship. They should go back to.
I'm going to butcher it.
[00:59:27] Speaker B: Yeah. The folks who Made the magic in the Wonderi.
[00:59:30] Speaker A: Right.
[00:59:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:59:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm sure I messed that up.
[00:59:32] Speaker B: Yeah, they were. That was an Italian company, if I'm remembering. Yeah. So, yeah, they absolutely could go back to. I mean, right now they've been using Meyerwerft and we know that these ships are all ordered from Meyerwerft. But you're right, they could do something else. Interesting.
[00:59:49] Speaker A: I'm going to need a Sam score on the Disney Discovery. Discovery name.
[00:59:53] Speaker B: I like this one, but I probably like this one the least because to me it just.
It makes me think of Star Trek Discovery. So I think of a starship. I don't think of a cruise ship.
[01:00:06] Speaker A: Is that Disney's never shied away from an alliteration.
[01:00:09] Speaker B: I know, I know, but it just. It doesn't. It doesn't. Disney Discovery doesn't. I'm gonna give this one to Maz.
[01:00:17] Speaker A: Okay. So Enchantment was all right. Legend was all right, Was good.
[01:00:22] Speaker B: Quest was my. Probably my favorite.
[01:00:23] Speaker A: Imagination needs to happen.
[01:00:25] Speaker B: Imagination must happen. Yes. I think. I actually think it might be the imagine, though, not the imagination. I'm still. I think it could be either, but I have a slight lean towards Imagine. But I still think there could be a Disney believe that's coming. So. Okay, you know. All right, so what happens next? So these are some really fun prognostication.
Disney Adventure renews. Right. What happens? You mentioned about it could come across back and forth across the Pacific. A jumboization or replacement of Magic Class. We just talked about that a little bit. And then I think this is a super interesting question. What will happen with Disney's private islands? Certainly they have room and there will be, I think, expanding at Lookout Key. I think this was phase one, what we currently have. So there's definitely a phase two coming. And perhaps there, it looks like there could be a second pier. So there could be a time where two ships, I think could reasonably dock at Lookout Key. But I think what we should be thinking about more is could there be another private island destination like you had, I think, had said in our last show, maybe like in Indonesia or something. Right.
[01:01:43] Speaker A: Like Adventure sees some success. Right?
[01:01:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So if certain parts of the Asian market really work out well for. For them, you could see, you know, private island somewhere in Asia. We could see a third. A third private island somewhere in the Bahamas. I think it's likely it would be in the Bahamas because that's who they. They keep working with the Bahamian government, obviously, for their first two. So that would just make sense. Yeah, I think Those are. Those are probably decent probabilities, particularly as the fleet grows, because the more it grows, the harder it's going to be to schedule ships at Castaway and Lookout. Right. It becomes much, much, much more complicated.
And thus far they've not ever had two ships at Castaway. I don't think there's really room to have like two Dream Class or Wish class ships at Castaway. Maybe I think you could do two Magic class ships, but I think it gets really, really hard there. So it's gotta be their Lookout or another island.
[01:02:43] Speaker A: I think there's a couple things to consider there about the islands, and this is someplace where I have not done a bunch of research, so maybe someone could pop in in the comments. But there is a lot of space on Cast, actually that's undeveloped.
[01:02:56] Speaker B: Sure, sure.
[01:02:57] Speaker A: But I don't know what rules they're following with the Bahamian government or.
[01:03:01] Speaker B: I think, I think that the. I think you're right. There's plenty of room, but I don't think that. I think based on the agreements they made and I don't think they built out to the full capacity that they could have, but I'm not sure that they have enough ability to build to be able to have, you know, two Dream class, Wish class size ships though, at Castaway. Whereas I think at Lookout, it seems like it's quite a bit bigger of a space that they're working with. And so in order to preserve as much of the natural space as they can at both places, there's a balance there. So I just think it's more likely to happen at Lookout. If they were going to do it at Castaway, I would have thought that they would have done that instead of Lookout because it was a big investment, probably a bigger investment to start a completely new private island than it would have been to just expand Castaway to be able to fit two ships. Which leads me to sort of guess that they probably just, you know, they could probably sustain a bigger ship going to Castaway, but probably not two 4,000 passenger ships.
[01:04:10] Speaker A: That's just the trick will be the impact on the pier, that is to. At Lookout. Right. So the impact of expanding that pier and doubling the traffic on the very long walk that folks talk about. I have not experienced it yet. You could speak to that probably more.
[01:04:27] Speaker B: Than me, but absolutely. Yeah. Well, this is a lot to swallow. I mean, this is, you know, this is such good information based on all the research that you did. So much fun to sort of imagine where Disney ships could be, where in the world they will go. I think a lot of people are interested in those Asian markets. A lot of people interested, interested in South America and of course a lot of people just interested in having a ship closer to their home base on the either the east coast or the west coast like I am. Yeah.
[01:05:01] Speaker A: Hey Tracy, we don't talk about Bruno. All right. That's what I'm going to say about that comment. We don't talk about Bruno.
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I hope Brian's watching and hears me say that. But really appreciate what are these times.
[01:07:31] Speaker A: I need to be on the show with Brian, with just Brian.
[01:07:33] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe next time you're.
[01:07:36] Speaker A: On it could be all of us. I miss Bryant. It's two in a row now.
[01:07:40] Speaker B: Anyway. Well, thank you so much again for joining me. Really always appreciate it. We love having you on and with.
[01:07:48] Speaker A: Love all the positivity in the comments tonight. Yeah, great community.
[01:07:52] Speaker B: Best community for sure. No question. All right, well we will say good night everyone.
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